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[islaydarkblue]

The turkey that's on DFCSS board and posts on here might vote for Christmas mind - that turkey would have seen the whole new stadium (LOL) project abandoned because (in his opinion) it might have caused twenty minutes worth of traffic congestion approximately 200 miles away from where he lives.

It would have caused a lot more than twenty minutes traffic disruption at the end of the game. There would also have been traffic chaos before the game as fans travelling by car from the East end of Dundee along the A90 Kingsway would have to drive down to the Myrekirk roundabout, wait for the traffic lights to change and then drive back up the Kingsway to the car parks at Campy Nou.
There is a simple reason why the land at Campy Nou was lying empty and unsold. Nobody wanted it especially after the Scottish Government changed the rules for accessing slip roads when exiting from retail parks and other large developments such as a new football stadium with car parks holding 1,362 car parking spaces and parking for 60 buses.
You were the Fans Rep on the board of Dundee Football Club from 4th March 2016 until 1st April 2017 (Source Companies House) so you must have a fair idea of the discussions about the new stadium development at the former NCR Camperdown grounds.

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You were the Fans Rep on the board of Dundee Football Club from 4th March 2016 until 1st April 2017 (Source Companies House) so you must have a fair idea of the discussions about the new stadium development at the former NCR Camperdown grounds.

Why would I have any more idea about the discussions on the proposed new stadium development than anyone else? I wasn't involved in those discussions. Is that something else that's your opinion and therefore must true?

[islaydarkblue]

Why would I have any more idea about the discussions on the proposed new stadium development than anyone else? I wasn't involved in those discussions. Is that something else that's your opinion and therefore must true?

That is all I wanted to know. A honest reply to my question.
I have previously posted on the DBF that my father in law worked in the NCR Camperdown factory in the 1960’s when Astral had their factory where the Asda Gourdie supermarket is situated.
The the end of the working day at NCR Camperdown had to be brought forward from 5pm to 4.45lm because the NCR Camperdown workers could not get their cars onto the Kingsway as it was busy with Astral workers also finished their work at 5pm and drove home up the Kingsway past the NCR Camperdown factory.
That was back in the days when not everyone had a car and the Kingsway was a bypass of Dundee not the main A90 trunk road from Edinburgh and Glasgow to Aberdeen.

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That is all I wanted to know. A honest reply to my question.
I have previously posted on the DBF that my father in law worked in the NCR Camperdown factory in the 1960’s when Astral had their factory where the Asda Gourdie supermarket is situated.
The the end of the working day at NCR Camperdown had to be brought forward from 5pm to 4.45lm because the NCR Camperdown workers could not get their cars onto the Kingsway as it was busy with Astral workers also finished their work at 5pm and drove home up the Kingsway past the NCR Camperdown factory.
That was back in the days when not everyone had a car and the Kingsway was a bypass of Dundee not the main A90 trunk road from Edinburgh and Glasgow to Aberdeen.

You didn't ask a question, you stated that I must know something about a particular subject, I pointed out to you that I didn't know anything about that subject.

And now the Kingsway's a much better road with slip roads and traffic lights to speed traffic flow and prevent congestion. So, what's your point? Do we take the condition the road was in 50 odd years ago and apply that to calculations surrounding its current and future use or do we factor in 50 odd years worth of improvements and upgrades whilst also proposing future improvements to the existing infrastructure?

[BCram]

If there is a rethink, what rethink if any would appeal to the Americans?

Curious.

That is where I am. Ground sharing seems the obvious option but I think that will be terrible for our support. As you say what your personal response would be I think there will be many who agree with you. Maybe Dens being owned by FPS might give them skin in that proposal. Can't see any chance of FPS selling ground sharing to DUFC unless their American owners wake up and see just how loaded the game is against them. Getting relegated might be a bridge too far and agreeing to ground share with us might be an attractive option for new investors.
I can't see a merger working at all.
I don't know the financial situation regarding the lease terms of Dens but they will be paying for all the repairs and maintenance plus whatever the lease is. Buying the ground seems like a good idea but it depends very much on the price they would have to pay.

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That is where I am. Ground sharing seems the obvious option but I think that will be terrible for our support. As you say what your personal response would be I think there will be many who agree with you. Maybe Dens being owned by FPS might give them skin in that proposal. Can't see any chance of FPS selling ground sharing to DUFC unless their American owners wake up and see just how loaded the game is against them. Getting relegated might be a bridge too far and agreeing to ground share with us might be an attractive option for new investors.
I can't see a merger working at all.
I don't know the financial situation regarding the lease terms of Dens but they will be paying for all the repairs and maintenance plus whatever the lease is. Buying the ground seems like a good idea but it depends very much on the price they would have to pay.

Cheers.

I just think that we are between a rock and a hard place.

Love to be proved wrong with new stadium (even though it's not in the perfect place) but I just can't see it happening b cram.

If/when it dosent happen ...what then.

It would be death by 1000 cuts moving in with them. Thanks but no thanks for me.

I'm sure the dab owner must be wondering what the he'll he has gotten himself into we have to be thankful Tim Keyes has hung around as long as he has.

Apart from being in the wrong league and stadium issue things are going better with players coming thru, the foundation has started very well there's been a smidgen of improvement in communication between the club and fans (massive room for improvement though) and the heritage thing I love.

A lot of positives but the stadium.....the damn stadium it's hovering like a thunderstorm.

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Cheers.

I just think that we are between a rock and a hard place.

Love to be proved wrong with new stadium (even though it's not in the perfect place) but I just can't see it happening b cram.

If/when it dosent happen ...what then.

It would be death by 1000 cuts moving in with them. Thanks but no thanks for me.

I'm sure the dab owner must be wondering what the he'll he has gotten himself into we have to be thankful Tim Keyes has hung around as long as he has.

Apart from being in the wrong league and stadium issue things are going better with players coming thru, the foundation has started very well there's been a smidgen of improvement in communication between the club and fans (massive room for improvement though) and the heritage thing I love.

A lot of positives but the stadium.....the damn stadium it's hovering like a thunderstorm.

That's why I think threads like this can be helpful. Guys thinking and shooting the breeze might actually come up with something of use. Doesn't matter what we think it's the owners who count. I am maybe a bit more inclined towards ground sharing than you but to be a success DUFC would have to give up the heritage of their ground if it was based at Tannadice. Can't see that happening so may be as you fear we are faced with something catastrophic happening to either club to force a ground share. I think we might prefer to start again and in the final analysis our fans might like starting again rather than be associated with DUFC.

[islaydarkblue]

You didn't ask a question, you stated that I must know something about a particular subject, I pointed out to you that I didn't know anything about that subject.

And now the Kingsway's a much better road with slip roads and traffic lights to speed traffic flow and prevent congestion. So, what's your point? Do we take the condition the road was in 50 odd years ago and apply that to calculations surrounding its current and future use or do we factor in 50 odd years worth of improvements and upgrades whilst also proposing future improvements to the existing infrastructure?

If you had carefully read my post you would have noticed that I stated that the Kingsway in the early 1960’s was the bypass of Dundee. It is now the A90 main trunk road from Edinburgh and Glasgow to Aberdeen.
The Kingsway is now a lot, lot busier than it was in the early 1960’s.
I could have taken the easy option and said nothing when the plans for the new stadium development at the former NCR Camperdown grounds were published. In hindsight I should have kept my counsel and waited until there was gridlock in the car parks after the end of first home game at Campy Nou.
Then I could have posted that I knew that this would happen. FPS and the Dundee supporters would have to learn the hard way.
However I do not operate this way. I prefer to explain the pitfalls of building the new stadium at Campy Nou due to the access issues to the car parks.
I am surprised that no one has asked Dundee City Council why they only used half of the former NCR Camperdown grounds for the Ice Rink, Cinema etc. They could have built their indoor Sports Centre with adjoining pitches on the remainder of the grounds.

[islaydarkblue]

That's why I think threads like this can be helpful. Guys thinking and shooting the breeze might actually come up with something of use. Doesn't matter what we think it's the owners who count. I am maybe a bit more inclined towards ground sharing than you but to be a success DUFC would have to give up the heritage of their ground if it was based at Tannadice. Can't see that happening so may be as you fear we are faced with something catastrophic happening to either club to force a ground share. I think we might prefer to start again and in the final analysis our fans might like starting again rather than be associated with DUFC.

If FPS had carried out what they said they would when they purchased a majority controlling interest in Dundee Football Club Limited and purchased Dens Park we would not be having this discussion.
A fund raising scheme would have been in operation for the past six years raising funds to buy Dens Park back from FPS.
If the 1893 Foundation can raise £100k per year where the money goes into the club bank account it is likely that a lot more money could have been raised each year to buy back Dens Park.
Several years ago the rumoured cost to buyback Dens Park was £850k with the lease due to end in 2046. With several years rent already paid it is possible that the cost to buyback Dens Park may be lower. Only John Bennett can answer that question.

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If FPS had carried out what they said they would when they purchased a majority controlling interest in Dundee Football Club Limited and purchased Dens Park we would not be having this discussion.

Seriously? Wouldn't have thought that.