O/T:- Our magnificent, wonderful, incredible, fantastic NHS

[Ayeayeskipper]

My wife is a retired Mental Health nurse, who went back in March last year when the call came. Our Daughter is just starting out on the same career so is at the lower end of the pay scale, and 2 things come to mind.

As with 90% of all Public Sector/Civil Servants pay, 1% of not a lot is ...err... not a lot.
The government has thrown billions to their mates for spurious and non existent contracts throughout this mess, but that's ok?

My mum was a mental health nurse at Mapperley Hospital, perhaps they knew each other? Send me a personal message and I will tell you her name. if you don't fancy doing that, look on the roll call of Notts fans ( said before, she never was but she married one ) who died last year and see if she recognizes her name.

[Elite_Pie]

That would be a 'no' to the pay rise but I think I already gave reasons as to why I think it was so measly.

Well at least we agree on the 'no' and 'measly', but definitely not on your reasons.

I noticed that the public seem to understand, latest poll ratings show the Tories miles in front of Labour, 13% or so.

This is fairly recent news, so when exactly do you mean by "latest poll ratings"?

[Notts78]

Wow! I have read some crass comments on here over the years, but that one takes some beating. The whole point of this topic was about the job NHS workers have done during this pandemic compared to others. There are many minimum wage workers who have suffered, but most of them have been furloughed. It must have hit some hard, but they would have got 80% of their salary for sitting at home. How many of them have literally put their life, and the lives of their loved ones on the line through sheer dedication? If you seriously want to compare the sacrifices NHS staff have made to those on national average wage, you must be shallower than a pool of gnat's piss.

There are countless people that have continued to work you obnoxious twirp. Countless shop staff having to deal with pillocks walking down aisles the wrong way, or refusing to wear masks and being abused to ****. The dust men that collect our bins. The bus drivers that take us to work. Bank staff (don’t get confused with bankers)that have continued to support customers during difficult times.
Not forgetting the police, fire service, teachers etc.... many have continued to work.
It isn’t just the NHS staff that have held this country together. The NHS staff have done a fantastic job, not just this last year.
Just this week I have seen a midwife who works 28 hours a week and is paid 32k per year. She didn’t seem upset.

[Ayeayeskipper]

Firstly, sorry to hear about your mum.

Secondly, I am glad that your wife is fairly philosophical about the wages nurses are paid and has an understanding of where that money comes from.

Elite claims many NHS staff are paid poorly. You will know how well your wife is paid or not. In my role I see lots of wage slips and have to assess them. NHS staff are not paid poorly, not if you compare them to the national average. Yes their will be those at the lower end of the spectrum, the likes of cleaners and porters.
The cynic in me thinks that nurses etc chose that profession and should understand that they won’t be on obscene money and that they will have **** shifts. Some will even be at risk to there own health.
Is 1% fair? Maybe not... but it’s 1% more than a lot of people who are on less money.

Thank you.

[BigFatPie]

Wow! I have read some crass comments on here over the years, but that one takes some beating. The whole point of this topic was about the job NHS workers have done during this pandemic compared to others. There are many minimum wage workers who have suffered, but most of them have been furloughed. It must have hit some hard, but they would have got 80% of their salary for sitting at home. How many of them have literally put their life, and the lives of their loved ones on the line through sheer dedication? If you seriously want to compare the sacrifices NHS staff have made to those on national average wage, you must be shallower than a pool of gnat's piss.

IIRC When Notts released Wes Thomas from his contract because of family reasons related to covid Notts78 was on here moaning that his employer wouldn’t have done the same for him. Clearly Notts78 thinks every employer should have the same terrible standards as his own...

When even the normally meek RCN is thinking about balloting for strike action things must be bad. NHS workers have been taken for granted for too long. They should be on the picket line Monday morning if they want these Tory pricks to take any notice.

[Elite_Pie]

There are countless people that have continued to work you obnoxious twirp. Countless shop staff having to deal with pillocks walking down aisles the wrong way, or refusing to wear masks and being abused to ****. The dust men that collect our bins. The bus drivers that take us to work. Bank staff (don’t get confused with bankers)that have continued to support customers during difficult times.
Not forgetting the police, fire service, teachers etc.... many have continued to work.

I know many have continued to work, and every single one of them deserves our gratitude and praise. The big difference is that they knew they might come into contact with Covid cases, whereas many NHS workers knew they definitely were in direct contact with Covid cases. If you want to pretend that dustmen ran the same risk as nurses, it probably says a lot about you.

Just this week I have seen a midwife who works 28 hours a week and is paid 32k per year. She didn’t seem upset.

You are unbelievable. So "you have seen" a midwife who works 28 hours a week and is paid 32k per year. She didn’t seem upset. A quick google search tells me this:

"Salaries for newly qualified midwives are set at Band 5, which starts at £24,907. You can then progress to Band 6, which ranges from £31,365 to £37,890. Salaries at Band 7, where you'll be working at a more senior level, e.g. managing a team, are in the region of £38,890 to £44,503".

This is what a midwife gets paid. So what band was "the one you have seen" in, and what were her responsibilities?

The word 'pathetic' doesn't even scratch the surface regarding your post.

[Notts78]

IIRC When Notts released Wes Thomas from his contract because of family reasons related to covid Notts78 was on here moaning that his employer wouldn’t have done the same for him. Clearly Notts78 thinks every employer should have the same terrible standards as his own...

When even the normally meek RCN is thinking about balloting for strike action things must be bad. NHS workers have been taken for granted for too long. They should be on the picket line Monday morning if they want these Tory pricks to take any notice.

You sir are full of ****. My point about Wes Thomas was raised when he essentially went on strike BEFORE any announcement of his contract being mutually terminated.

[Elite_Pie]

You sir are full of ****. My point about Wes Thomas was raised when he essentially went on strike BEFORE any announcement of his contract being mutually terminated.

Talking of being full of ****, any more details of the midwife "you have seen"?

[Notts78]

I know many have continued to work, and every single one of them deserves our gratitude and praise. The big difference is that they knew they might come into contact with Covid cases, whereas many NHS workers knew they definitely were in direct contact with Covid cases. If you want to pretend that dustmen ran the same risk as nurses, it probably says a lot about you.



You are unbelievable. So "you have seen" a midwife who works 28 hours a week and is paid 32k per year. She didn’t seem upset. A quick google search tells me this:

"Salaries for newly qualified midwives are set at Band 5, which starts at £24,907. You can then progress to Band 6, which ranges from £31,365 to £37,890. Salaries at Band 7, where you'll be working at a more senior level, e.g. managing a team, are in the region of £38,890 to £44,503".

This is what a midwife gets paid. So what band was "the one you have seen" in, and what were her responsibilities?

The word 'pathetic' doesn't even scratch the surface regarding your post.

So with the exception of a trainee midwife the rest of those salary ranges at least match the national average.
Out of curiosity would you give ALL NHS staff a blanket pay rise or would you look to reward those that have been impacted more severely when treating COVID patients?
As I said earlier, though you have decided to use part of my quote, those in the NHS chose that career and knew what they were signing up for.

[BigFatPie]

You sir are full of ****. My point about Wes Thomas was raised when he essentially went on strike BEFORE any announcement of his contract being mutually terminated.

No need to call me sir.

You have absolutely no idea about Wes Thomas’s personal circumstances so you have no right to claim he ‘essentially went on strike’. Didn’t stop you moaning at the time that whatever Notts had done for him, your employer wouldn’t have done for you.

Loads of people moan about other people’s pay or terms and conditions being better than theirs. The answer of course is to try and fight to raise your own employment standards not lower those of everyone else’s.