O/T Fuel Queues

[soulman101]

There's at lot of well educated idiots, but thick as 2 planks, sitting on the M25 trying to save planet by creating a big traffic jam.
My money would be on they voted remain

[Omegstrat6]

[QUOTE=regis80;39876024]

I’m glad you’ve taken time to watch this omeg, it really hits home doesn’t it. Talk about taking back control, it would seem right and logical think to take back ownership of these utility companies. I think historically and rightly so public sector servants were perceived as poor workers/inefficient. However I doubt we live in that era anymore, public servants can be good and be rewarded too. I don’t have time to go into detail in what i mean here but poor work or poor management (because of the era we are in) cannot go unnoticed in this day and age. People just need to be given more accountability. If this can apply to private company individuals then it too can for public servants. Nationalise the utilities.

Hi Regis
Tbh, in principle I too would be all for nationalizing key utilities but-historically -that did not go too well either. The point is that, logically, any state run service could be run just as productively and efficiently as any private one. In the past-and I have some personal knowledge of this-the problem was that services like the nhs failed to understand that you can run a service and still apply sound business principles and the stories of the wastefull practices that abounded due to lack of accountability (amongst other failings) was truly staggereing. The same applies to local county councils as an example but it equally applies to large private corporations. It seems that once any organisation gets too large the original core values become muddied and political empire building, lack of productivity and deflection of accountability follows. I know several project managers who earn a good living from such businesses by finding solutions to various productivity issues for them but the answers are all within the business itself it is just that politics and self preservation get in the way of them being able to find them for themselves. Sadly, too many remember the failings of the old state run services and ridicule Cornyn or anyone else who suggests a return to that but there is no logical reason why they cannot be run efficiently without the need to make vast profits for CEOs

[mickd1961]

There's at lot of well educated idiots, but thick as 2 planks, sitting on the M25 trying to save planet by creating a big traffic jam.
My money would be on they voted remain

I’d love to know what Greta Thunberg’s carbon footprint is?

I watched some stuff on YouTube where a guy doing a documentary followed her around and actually filmed her car and it was full of plastic rubbish etc.

When he tried to question this her disciples all closed him down and wouldn’t discuss anything about how she travelled and her own use of things like iPhone’s etc which involve filthy lithium and the practices that go on to extract it.

It’s the same with her as it is with a lot of other zealots in whatever field, THEY themselves are not accountable they just expect the rest of us to be.

[regis80]

1.Of course Remainers told lies about the consequences of Brexit (as did Leavers.) I accept this you deny!

2 All countries are suffering shortages. France medicines, Australia food, Yanks everything according to the NY Times. I can quite happy to admit I don't know to what extent Brexit has contributed to the problem relative to other factors whereas for you it's all of the problem even though you have no better idea than me.

3. Other posters have done a better job than I of discrediting this 'stupid' statement. But if you believe it a reasonable question to ask may I put this of you?

If put a 1000 Labour voters in a room with the same number of Conservative voters you would find that the Conservatives will probably be better educated.

Agreed 123?

Brexit could have been handled a lot better than what this incompetent self preserving government party are doing. I’ve said before, they should all be fired and replaced with competent people within the party.. surely they can find them within the party. It’s so bad, so bad that I think Jeremy Hunt would do much better.

I voted remain but i didn’t discount leave. Because the agenda was about immigration. I always thought if we ever left it would have to be over several years til we leave. Plus if we were to leave then at least have some collateral. My post about utilities- we don’t own jack schit. All we are and ever will be is a strong service industry, that’s it. Even then we are shipping those aspects out.
I understand the EU is hard work and i’ve witnessed that myself but the handling of this brexit has been very poor and we can’t use the pandemic as an excuse.

Now i’ll say this, i don’t lean towards any party and I won’t be voting next election. I’ve always been critical of things a government does or doesn’t do.. one thing this inept bunch are is complacent. We as a nation deserve better, considering we are G6 country.

Boris will walk, it’s only a matter of time.

[Omegstrat6]

There's at lot of well educated idiots, but thick as 2 planks, sitting on the M25 trying to save planet by creating a big traffic jam.
My money would be on they voted remain

I wouldn't bet against you on that soulman!😀 The problem is that , whilst it is probably true that quite a lot of Leavers voted to do so based on ignorance or misconceptions over concerns over immigration and failed to see -or be interested in-any bigger picture so too many Remainers were just as blinkered and believed they were right and knew best and refused to consider another point of view. You shouldn't tar all Leavers or Remainers with the same brush of course but politics does tend to drag you down that path ( not least because it is often difficult to sort out any real facts/truth from opinion) and it's quite rare to see a balanced viewpoint. Then again, that wouldn't be as entertaining would it?😄

[9goals2hattricks3pen]

Brexit could have been handled a lot better than what this incompetent self preserving government party are doing. I’ve said before, they should all be fired and replaced with competent people within the party.. surely they can find them within the party. It’s so bad, so bad that I think Jeremy Hunt would do much better.

I voted remain but i didn’t discount leave. Because the agenda was about immigration. I always thought if we ever left it would have to be over several years til we leave. Plus if we were to leave then at least have some collateral. My post about utilities- we don’t own jack schit. All we are and ever will be is a strong service industry, that’s it. Even then we are shipping those aspects out.
I understand the EU is hard work and i’ve witnessed that myself but the handling of this brexit has been very poor and we can’t use the pandemic as an excuse.

Now i’ll say this, i don’t lean towards any party and I won’t be voting next election. I’ve always been critical of things a government does or doesn’t do.. one thing this inept bunch are is complacent. We as a nation deserve better, considering we are G6 country.

Boris will walk, it’s only a matter of time.

Struggling to argue with much of that

[mickd1961]

Struggling to argue with much of that

I’d second that.

In essence this all came about due to the Eu’s complete intransigence towards Cameron’s request for some flexibility.

My own long held view was that if a points system for immigration wasn’t going to fly with the Eu ( which I accept ) then some sort of “fudge” was needed to satisfy both sides.

Maybe this could’ve been reciprocal whereby our complete ability to move and live in the Eu was restricted or that an allowance was made based on the land mass of a country or in the fact that we are a fairly small island.

I do honestly believe that considering all of the fudging and making do and not mending very well that Brexit has entailed that these were better options.

The problem is that this requires nous and to act like grown ups whereas both sides became entrenched and in particular the Eu leaders went from laughing at Cameron to openly loathing Boris.

At some point when he’s gone, regardless of the party or person in charge I think that better compromises will be found.

Which all begs the question,

Why are Labour so frightened of becoming the “rejoin” party?

At some point a leader with Blair type charisma will take them down that path with centre ( a tad to the left policies ) and win the election.

Labour have got to understand that their only chance of winning power is to stand up to the unions and risk losing their backing and to not worry about the red/blue wall.

I keep saying it, this is their way back in but I don’t think they have the balls to do it.

The Angela Rayner types constantly keep shooting the party in the foot.

Andy Burnham is the best leader Labour could have but won’t have in this generation.

I could vote for him given a sensible agenda and a split from unions pulling the strings.

[Albionic68]

So you'd have no truck voting for Andy Burnham then Mick?

Isn't that where we already are with Tory 'scumbag' Boris 😊 ?

[mickd1961]

So you'd have no truck voting for Andy Burnham then Mick?

Isn't that where we already are with Tory 'scumbag' Boris �� ?

You're not far off mate.

The most "Left Wing" government we've had in years and still some people aren't happy.

I'd vote for Burnham based on a sensible agenda and hopefully a split from the Momentum and Corbynista brigade.

I'm a Libra.....I like things right down the middle and balanced 68 as per this old classic!


https://youtu.be/HZklwTGZutc

[kettering_baggie]

The subject of the thread is Fuel Queues. The current fuel ‘crisis’ has nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit. The crisis is due entirely to total idiots panic buying, the country has a very large number of very stupid people amongst the population, it makes one wonder how some of these fools even have the intelligence to pass the driving test. There is no fuel shortage, there is a very minor problem with fuel deliveries to a small number of filling stations but nothing that would prevent everyone obtaining all the fuel they need for normal day to day living. Yes, there is a wider problem with the shortage of HGV drivers but it has not affected fuel supplies. The so-called problem has been greatly exacerbated by the BBC who continue to make a political issue out of it to bash the government; they are a disgrace. I wonder how long it will take for the idiot panic fuel buyers to realise their stupidity? Perhaps they never will; just take a look at the weeks TV programmes, almost total dross, presumably for those with the panic buying mentality, makes you realise how many of them there are. What a sad state the country is in.