O/T. The Government's handling of Covid

[MadAmster]

Every life is as valuable as the next. Tory cuts have meant that the finite amount of treatment available for everything has been drastically reduced since they took office in 2010. Staffing at 2010 levels would not have been swamped the way that it's happened over the past 2 years. This is also true here in NL except it wasn't the Tories but the VVD and CDA who both promote "neo liberal" policies.

I heard a stat that the combined worth of the world's 10 richest people has doubled during the pandemic. The top 1% slightly less than that. Isn't it time for a one off wealth tax on those individuals and companies who have greatly profited from the pandemic?

[Trickytreesreds]

Every life is as valuable as the next. Tory cuts have meant that the finite amount of treatment available for everything has been drastically reduced since they took office in 2010. Staffing at 2010 levels would not have been swamped the way that it's happened over the past 2 years. This is also true here in NL except it wasn't the Tories but the VVD and CDA who both promote "neo liberal" policies.

I heard a stat that the combined worth of the world's 10 richest people has doubled during the pandemic. The top 1% slightly less than that. Isn't it time for a one off wealth tax on those individuals and companies who have greatly profited from the pandemic?

I heard a stat that the combined worth of the world's 10 richest people has doubled during the pandemic. The top 1% slightly less than that

And that statement, may very well be the reason behind this great lie.

Staffing levels are bugger all to do, with what's happened though Maddy. Operations/appointments/treatments/ scans/AND GP'S are all down to restrictions with COVID HYSTERIA.

a friend of my lads brother(football buddies) has just died from testicular cancer. Undiagnosed for 18 months, due to the traffic jam.
He was 29.
let that sink in for a bit- compared to the average age of 82, with covid postive patients with complications.

[ramAnag]

‘COVID HYSTERIA’! What are you talking about? Was it ‘hysteria’ that’s caused 153k deaths in the UK and 5.6m across the World?
Was it ‘Covid Hysteria’ that led to the pictures we saw in Italy about two years ago.
The only reason that we haven’t seen more scenes like the ones in Italy over here during the last twelve months is because science was suddenly properly funded by Governments and vaccines were quickly found and efficiently administered.

I feel very sorry for the ‘friend of my lad’s brother’ that you speak of, as I do anyone who’s experienced the dreadful effects of cancer, and I don’t deny that Covid has impacted upon such treatments...but MA is right about both the immorality of the distribution of wealth across the World and the impact of Tory cuts.

As an example...my eldest USA based son fell victim to cancer about three years ago. Fortunately, from his/our point of view, he’s a well paid executive with a good company insurance policy. He had no queues, a private room and the cost of his first four months of treatment cost in excess of $1m.
It didn’t make the treatment any easier to manage of course but overall it couldn’t have been better and I am eternally grateful.
Had he not been insured I’m sure he’d no longer be with us because in the US those without insurance or some ability to pay are largely just dismissed.
Unfortunately the same two tier system is becoming ever more apparent in this country. Had the person you speak of had access to private health care he might have survived. The success of the well funded vaccine programme proves what proper funding can achieve but over the last ten years such funding has suffered cut after cut so yes...Covid has of course played a part in our overrun health service but had it been properly funded rather than neglected over the last decade or so things might have been very different.

[Trickytreesreds]

‘COVID HYSTERIA’! What are you talking about? Was it ‘hysteria’ that’s caused 153k deaths in the UK and 5.6m across the World?
Was it ‘Covid Hysteria’ that led to the pictures we saw in Italy about two years ago.
The only reason that we haven’t seen more scenes like the ones in Italy over here during the last twelve months is because science was suddenly properly funded by Governments and vaccines were quickly found and efficiently administered.

I feel very sorry for the ‘friend of my lad’s brother’ that you speak of, as I do anyone who’s experienced the dreadful effects of cancer, and I don’t deny that Covid has impacted upon such treatments...but MA is right about both the immorality of the distribution of wealth across the World and the impact of Tory cuts.

As an example...my eldest USA based son fell victim to cancer about three years ago. Fortunately, from his/our point of view, he’s a well paid executive with a good company insurance policy. He had no queues, a private room and the cost of his first four months of treatment cost in excess of $1m.
It didn’t make the treatment any easier to manage of course but overall it couldn’t have been better and I am eternally grateful.
Had he not been insured I’m sure he’d no longer be with us because in the US those without insurance or some ability to pay are largely just dismissed.
Unfortunately the same two tier system is becoming ever more apparent in this country. Had the person you speak of had access to private health care he might have survived. The success of the well funded vaccine programme proves what proper funding can achieve but over the last ten years such funding has suffered cut after cut so yes...Covid has of course played a part in our overrun health service but had it been properly funded rather than neglected over the last decade or so things might have been very different.

I'm not arguing with most of that RA, except the first line?
Has it gone over your head?

It actually isn't 153k of our deaths according to official figures. It's 17k. So how many of the worldwide are the same figure juggling?

Even someone died on the operating table having a triple heart bypass, if covid is detected, the death is being recorded as COVID.
I'm asking for the truth. Not a scare story to increase the fear.
Our press still isn't pushing this information. They are still going with the "Boris is only lifting to save his skin"

Screw Boris, I want to know what the facts are, because the statistics tell a big fat lie.

[ramAnag]

I'm not arguing with most of that RA, except the first line?
Has it gone over your head?

It actually isn't 153k of our deaths according to official figures. It's 17k. So how many of the worldwide are the same figure juggling?

Even someone died on the operating table having a triple heart bypass, if covid is detected, the death is being recorded as COVID.
I'm asking for the truth. Not a scare story to increase the fear.
Our press still isn't pushing this information. They are still going with the "Boris is only lifting to save his skin"

Screw Boris, I want to know what the facts are, because the statistics tell a big fat lie.

Not gone over my head at all...but it’s just you and your YouTube conspiracists who say 17k rather than 153k isn’t it?
I’ll agree about one thing...the defining of deaths as a result of Covid has been flawed...daft even...but for every argument like yours there’s another saying that the number of deaths as a result of Covid has been deliberately understated in certain parts of the World.
We simply don’t know the truth...but I do know two things...I’m bloody grateful for the scientists who created the vaccines...and I do blame the current state of the NHS as much on a decade of underfunding from the ‘I’m alright Jack’ Party as I do on Covid.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Fascinating. DCFC is in administration fighting for its life, I look on here for news. Virtually nothing. DCFC play hated local rivals tomorrow, I look on here for predictions. Nothing. But the government hater Vs the Forest fan bitchfight is still going strong. 😀

[Trickytreesreds]

Not gone over my head at all...but it’s just you and your YouTube conspiracists who say 17k rather than 153k isn’t it?
I’ll agree about one thing...the defining of deaths as a result of Covid has been flawed...daft even...but for every argument like yours there’s another saying that the number of deaths as a result of Covid has been deliberately understated in certain parts of the World.
We simply don’t know the truth...but I do know two things...I’m bloody grateful for the scientists who created the vaccines...and I do blame the current state of the NHS as much on a decade of underfunding from the ‘I’m alright Jack’ Party as I do on Covid.

How is it a conspiracy theory, when the statistics are from ONS?

We can have studies on everything from who like jam, to who wants to get rid of Boris?
But we can't have a open publishment of what is supposed to be an established fact over COVID death?
Other than the mish mash lumping of blame for everyone, that it is COVID?

Words fail me.

[Trickytreesreds]

Fascinating. DCFC is in administration fighting for its life, I look on here for news. Virtually nothing. DCFC play hated local rivals tomorrow, I look on here for predictions. Nothing. But the government hater Vs the Forest fan bitchfight is still going strong. ��

Egg shell subjects. that gets people blubbing at me.

[Andy_Faber]

I'm just surprised that we have had to put up with his bollox on this Forum for so long, should have been banned a long time ago and be left to trot out the ****e he gleans from dubious internet sites on the red dogs forum, but hey guess our Mod needs all the support he can get even from complete thickos like this guy!

Rather a desperate comment to make about someone who's been so conspicuous by his absence from this thread recently. I take it as a compliment that I've got so far under your skin without trying

[Ramshank72]

‘Our society is built on survival of the fittest’. You sure about that Ramshank? You’ll be saying ‘there’s no such thing as society’ next.
Surely the policy of vaccination during the whole of the pandemic has been the exact opposite of that with the emphasis on the elderly and the most vulnerable being vaccinated first.

Beyond that I have to question what is happening at the moment. Our PM has been identified as the disingenuous liar he, imo, has always been.
In a quest for his survival we would now seem to be engaging in a number of populist policies, where Covid is concerned, such as the abandonment of compulsory masks in schools, shops, public transport and the doing away with QR codes as a means of gaining access to certain venues.
Personally I think such actions are very premature. Just a month ago people were very worried about Christmas/New Year being cancelled...a month on and it suddenly seems it’s alright to relax all the rules.
In my humble opinion viruses and pandemics don’t behave like that and I shall continue to wear a mask in crowded indoor places for a while yet regardless, or perhaps because, of what the message from party central (Downing St) may be.

You might want to read more than the 1st part of my sentence before quoting a response, attention to detail young man.
Anyway, hopefully HMG are more concerned with DCFC matters right now!