Salford friendly

[MillersTime]

One question for those who say or think the following.... 'lessons haven't been learnt', 'wasted summer', 'never learn' etc etc.

Which club, in any division, have completed their summer business as of this moment?

And yes, I am as frustrated as most and wish we were further along with recruitment, like PW does. But the reality of transfers is never that simple, and issue free.

Nobody who claims the above wishes to take me up on my offer of answering that question?

Almost like the answer is zero. Nobody has completely concluded all business, yet our recruitment team / chairman / manager are fair game for stick because we haven't. We aren't an anomaly, we are like everyone else. Some deals are quick, some take time, many fall apart.

In an ideal world we would be all set, it isn't an ideal world we live in and never will be. Cut them some slack, I'm sure they are working far harder than most of us imagine.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Nobody who claims the above wishes to take me up on my offer of answering that question?

Almost like the answer is zero. Nobody has completely concluded all business, yet our recruitment team / chairman / manager are fair game for stick because we haven't. We aren't an anomaly, we are like everyone else. Some deals are quick, some take time, many fall apart.

In an ideal world we would be all set, it isn't an ideal world we live in and never will be. Cut them some slack, I'm sure they are working far harder than most of us imagine.

That’s basically true but most teams are just aiming for status quo, no promotion expected, some maybe fighting relegation.

We on the other hand are hitting a footballing form of Groundhog Day, a position we’ve been in before ( even with the same manager) where we’ve gone up and are now expecting to go down again. Unless of course something changes and we do something different. So far there is no real indication that we are doing anything different, that’s what’s worrying the majority of fans.

But as you quite rightly suggest, things can change, there’s still time and maybe we shouldn’t worry too much about recruitment

[MillersTime]

That’s basically true but most teams are just aiming for status quo, no promotion expected, some maybe fighting relegation.

We on the other hand are hitting a footballing form of Groundhog Day, a position we’ve been in before ( even with the same manager) where we’ve gone up and are now expecting to go down again. Unless of course something changes and we do something different. So far there is no real indication that we are doing anything different, that’s what’s worrying the majority of fans.

But as you quite rightly suggest, things can change, there’s still time and maybe we shouldn’t worry too much about recruitment

But the rest of the market isn't going to change because of our needs. We are a tiny pawn in the grand scheme of things and there is nothing we can do about it, unfortunately. We will never have the financial clout to force deals quicker, players will still feel out their options and take their time, agents will always try and get the best deals, clubs will do likewise, our people behind the scenes who control the purse strings the same. It is just the system and unless you take in a load of players who aren't up to the standard and nobody wants (who will bite your hand off immediately for a move), you have the game. The game that largely ends in frustration for one reason or another.

You can see why managers hate the transfer window. The stress of it all. Dealing with all these people, thinking you have someone, losing them, bids coming in etc. Nightmare.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

But the rest of the market isn't going to change because of our needs. We are a tiny pawn in the grand scheme of things and there is nothing we can do about it, unfortunately. We will never have the financial clout to force deals quicker, players will still feel out their options and take their time, agents will always try and get the best deals, clubs will do likewise, our people behind the scenes who control the purse strings the same. It is just the system and unless you take in a load of players who aren't up to the standard and nobody wants (who will bite your hand off immediately for a move), you have the game. The game that largely ends in frustration for one reason or another.

You can see why managers hate the transfer window. The stress of it all. Dealing with all these people, thinking you have someone, losing them, bids coming in etc. Nightmare.

Yes, correct, that’s why delegation is so important

[Derbymiller]

That’s basically true but most teams are just aiming for status quo, no promotion expected, some maybe fighting relegation.

We on the other hand are hitting a footballing form of Groundhog Day, a position we’ve been in before ( even with the same manager) where we’ve gone up and are now expecting to go down again. Unless of course something changes and we do something different. So far there is no real indication that we are doing anything different, that’s what’s worrying the majority of fans.

But as you quite rightly suggest, things can change, there’s still time and maybe we shouldn’t worry too much about recruitment

The original challenge is valid, but this follow on comment sums it up. We were told we have learned our lessons and we won't repeat the same mistakes (hopefully no new ones either!!). I am sure we are working hard within our limitations that isn't the concern it is more the worry that by the beginning of September if we don't have a first 11 on the pitch that can play together as a unit we could be well a drift, we have to accept that our chances of survival let alone lower midtable require us to have a tight unit that have a system that grinds out results, and it isn't looking like we have that anywhere near ready at the moment. We wasted too much time and effort on smith and icky we should have called time on it when barker said we would in his paper interview instead we let it drag on two extra weeks, warne is too loyal sometimes

[Derbymiller]

Why won't players brought in not be match fit?
Any players brought in permanently or on loan will have been training for their parent clubs.
Some will have done intensive pre-season training.




They've been playing a flat back four every time we've lost possession, that's how it works with the players he has available.
Chieo will be able to play a more advanced attacking role if PW requires him to do so.

sorry what I mean is they are unlikely to have the level of fitness that PW requires, that is based on the fact we are told how hard our pre-season fitness training is and that we always strive to have the fittest players, I am more concerned that it is a very new squad and a lot of key players in key positions won't have played together very much if at all. Not much we can do about that but it is a fact

[gru]

This is what you call the catch 22 situation re. us it's to do with budget we have for the championship. Talking as a 1st team squad generally we've got players at this level of a lower standard of ability than I'd say at least 20 of the sides in it so Warney is trying make up for that with fitness levels. But with that comes injuries. We can't get out that cause we play to the rules. Some sides don't but punishment at the moment isn't stopping them.

[MillersTime]

The original challenge is valid, but this follow on comment sums it up. We were told we have learned our lessons and we won't repeat the same mistakes (hopefully no new ones either!!). I am sure we are working hard within our limitations that isn't the concern it is more the worry that by the beginning of September if we don't have a first 11 on the pitch that can play together as a unit we could be well a drift, we have to accept that our chances of survival let alone lower midtable require us to have a tight unit that have a system that grinds out results, and it isn't looking like we have that anywhere near ready at the moment. We wasted too much time and effort on smith and icky we should have called time on it when barker said we would in his paper interview instead we let it drag on two extra weeks, warne is too loyal sometimes

We recruited before and immediately after those two left the club. You have no evidence that that situation cost us signings, pure speculation. The recruitment I mentioned is evidence however that we were working on deals throughout that period. Deals have slowed in the last couple of weeks, how can that be attributed to those two?

If we hadn't of picked up the amount of injuries that we have currently then the situation wouldn't be looking as bad as it does. That exacerbates it all and that isn't a recruitment issue.

[Derbymiller]

We recruited before and immediately after those two left the club. You have no evidence that that situation cost us signings, pure speculation. The recruitment I mentioned is evidence however that we were working on deals throughout that period. Deals have slowed in the last couple of weeks, how can that be attributed to those two?

If we hadn't of picked up the amount of injuries that we have currently then the situation wouldn't be looking as bad as it does. That exacerbates it all and that isn't a recruitment issue.

everything on here is a persons opinion or with speculation, you say that as if we are only allowed to have an opinion if we have evidence to support it. Also why the aggressive tone, are you the only one that has a valid opinion, lighten up it is a discussion board for people to discuss things related to Rotherham United, not your echo chamber. To be clear it is only my opinion that dragging the situation out had an impact on us doing other business. This is based on the comments by barker in his interview. In that interview he implied that we had not yet pursued the replacements for those two as we were waiting for the matter to be resolved. Now it might be (yes speculation!!) that Eaves and Humphreys are the replacements that were identified and the deals that were later completed (good deals) however my point is that any delays at that time is time lost and we are now having to work even harder to do the recruitment to complete the first team. I have no issues with the players we have brought in, I just think we are not in a good position with the season starting two weeks tomorrow.

[gru]

I used to play dominoes with this ex-miner in our local think sometimes he was trying to bluff me he used to say " you can't do owt with a boot & a clog " we're trying to do that now in the championship. Signings we've made so far this season I can't see the next Vaulks Ajayi Crooks.