Jonathan Morgan BFC Women's manager

[kritichris]

Interesting article on his move to Burnley from Leicester.

https://www.theguardian.com/football...rgan-interview

[sinkov]

"Manager explains exit from Leicester, finding joy at Burnley and the lack of support for managers from ethnic minorities"

I'm intrigued, what sort of support would a white manager get that he didn't ?

[The Bedlington Terrier]

"Manager explains exit from Leicester, finding joy at Burnley and the lack of support for managers from ethnic minorities"

I'm intrigued, what sort of support would a white manager get that he didn't ?

We are now in a situation where managerial hierarchy is looked at through black lens instead of white mon ami. I'm sure you can appreciate the difference.

I was reading an article over here about the prospects of a "black" manager taking over the Belgian national team and it went on to discuss the historic abuse and genocide the Belgians perpetrated in the Congo. I had no idea VK was of Congolese heritage.

Funny old world innit?

[sinkov]

I can appreciate there may well be a difference, our footballers must be getting on their knees for something after all, but I'm buggered if I can find out what it is. Mr Morgan complains of a lack of support for ethnic minority managers, with the clear implication that a white manager would have received some form of support that he did not. It's all a bit vague and wishy-washy, it makes a good headline, but what exactly is he talking about ?

VK did actually say st the QPR presser last week, when they were talking about the World Cup that he was African, probably bearing in mind the fate of Lady Hussey, no one enquired as to whereabouts in Africa he came from.

[Swissclaret]

The last time that I was in Leicester, it seemed to me that Brendan Rodgers would consider himself to be from an ethnic minority considering the composition of the inhabitants. I am not quite sure where he is coming from on that one, other than it is a piece in The Guardian.

It is easy to see how envy would try to denigrate his achievements - accusations of nepotism because of the family connection.

In the end, I am proud of the club, that he feels appreciated on his merits irrespective of colour, race or creed. All credit to all involved. Let’s hope that he can help our fantastic Ladies team achieve the same success as they move through the divisions.

[outwoodclaret]

Wishing Jonathan and the Burnley Women team every success this season. 16 unbeaten so far is a very creditable achievement.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I can appreciate there may well be a difference, our footballers must be getting on their knees for something after all, but I'm buggered if I can find out what it is. Mr Morgan complains of a lack of support for ethnic minority managers, with the clear implication that a white manager would have received some form of support that he did not. It's all a bit vague and wishy-washy, it makes a good headline, but what exactly is he talking about ?

VK did actually say st the QPR presser last week, when they were talking about the World Cup that he was African, probably bearing in mind the fate of Lady Hussey, no one enquired as to whereabouts in Africa he came from.

When I get home mon ami I'll dig out the title of the book but for a social experiment a US white woman undertook some sort of therapy to darken her skin temporarily. The results were really quite startling in a very negative way.

I wish we call all see out of one colour of a lens, but unfortunately we can't. I often wonder if a person who is not white blames their lack of "whiteness" for not being all they can be.

Difficult and complex are the intricate questions about "race". I wish I had the answer but who does?

[sinkov]

Difficult and complex are the intricate questions about "race". I wish I had the answer but who does?

This one shouldn't be too difficult mon ami, I don't know the answer, and so far it seems neither does anyone else.

What sort of support would a white manager get that Mr Morgan didn't ? It was in a Guardian headline that he hadn't received this support so it can't be too obscure. Or are we straying into Goebbels territory here, if you repeat a lie often enough, people will come to believe it's the truth ?

[The Bedlington Terrier]

This one shouldn't be too difficult mon ami, I don't know the answer, and so far it seems neither does anyone else.

What sort of support would a white manager get that Mr Morgan didn't ? It was in a Guardian headline that he hadn't received this support so it can't be too obscure. Or are we straying into Goebbels territory here, if you repeat a lie often enough, people will come to believe it's the truth ?

As usual mon ami there are many components to this issue. The "Morgan Legacy" (or not), blackness, nepotism, prejudice (and that can be a two way mirror), "race", familiarity etc., etc.

Anyway, I'm glad the lad is now seemingly settled at Burnley FC, where the lasses play great footy and the first team is an eclectic mix of cultures, colours and creeds.

Who'd have ever thought it?

[sinkov]

As usual mon ami there are many components to this issue. The "Morgan Legacy" (or not), blackness, nepotism, prejudice (and that can be a two way mirror), "race", familiarity etc., etc.

Not quite sure what the issue is here mon ami, an unspecified 'lack of support' and a manager who was at Leicester for 7 years, that's a long time in football, far more than most white managers get. If dark, nefarious forces conspired against him, they took their time over it.

As always with these sort of vague hints of racism, it's always smoke and mirrors and not much substance. A bit like Marlene from Kilburn, assuming an African name, dressing like an African and then claiming racial abuse because some old biddy assumed she actually was from Africa. Or VC claiming Meghan was racially abused by the British media 'from day one', but unable to supply any examples when asked, probably something he read in the Grauniad and assumed it was true. It all follows the same pattern, hints of racism, no evidence.

But as Goebbels realised, repeat it often enough...............