Care4 Calais

[WBA123]

More dog whistle policies to appease the masses.

This is similar to the Rwanda situation in that it is a waste of taxpayer money and does not resolve the problem.

The two main political parties (but especially the Tories) will say and do anything to improve their polling, even if it decimates the country. They don't care what this country will be like for the next generation, they care about being in charge for 4-5 years. It really is shameful.

[Leicesterbaggie]

Understood, I was just trying to clarify the situation as I understood it.

I think being on a dinghy and watching people die due to malnutrition, babies being still born and others drowning is understandably traumatic. I have twice witnessed these people in precarious situations whilst holidaying. If they are putting their lives on the line then they have to be in an awful situation.

Whilst I’ll agree some may be of ill ilk, most are likely to be absolutely desperate. We should feel so luck that we do not have to make these decisions.

While agreeing with many of your above observations my two major points are that the majority of those making the crossing are young men and that the accommodation provided on the barge looks pretty comfortable to me. Many people who are living on the streets in this country would jump at the opportunity of such accommodation.

[mickd1961]

More dog whistle policies to appease the masses.

This is similar to the Rwanda situation in that it is a waste of taxpayer money and does not resolve the problem.

The two main political parties (but especially the Tories) will say and do anything to improve their polling, even if it decimates the country. They don't care what this country will be like for the next generation, they care about being in charge for 4-5 years. It really is shameful.

I have to agree.

Our immigration policy is a shambles thought up by lightweights, chancers and dumb f u c k s.

I do think we’re getting “rinsed” by a large proportion of people who don’t need to be here or deserve to be here but the way we handle things is shambolic.

We’d be better off setting up a proper immigration depot in France and dealing with it properly than have the mess we have now.

[WBA123]

While agreeing with many of your above observations my two major points are that the majority of those making the crossing are young men and that the accommodation provided on the barge looks pretty comfortable to me. Many people who are living on the streets in this country would jump at the opportunity of such accommodation.

The accommodation sounds more like a prison to me. No idea why people would compare people living on streets to asylum seekers...the 'divide and conquer' is working well with you I see.

Anyway, here's what I took off social media earlier if you're interested...



Get to Know the Bibby Stockholm...

- 500+ single adult men crammed onto a barge with a capacity of 222 in normal use (e.g. as accommodation for oil workers)

Single rooms:
- 2 strangers, sharing an austere metal bunk bed
- TV (as mocking and useless as a paperweight: they've been deliberately detuned so they won't pick up anything, to "encourage socialising" apparently)
- 1 chair, 1 desk, 1 wardrobe
- A window (it's supposed to be able to open; this is touted as a major plus by the barge's owners)
- Shower and toilet

Slightly larger rooms:
- 4 strangers, in 2 bunk beds

Communal areas:
(Most of the larger ones have been repurposed into dormitories. The thin list below is pretty much all that's left.)
- Narrow corridors
- TV room with sofas, seating up to 12 people max
- Tiny gym
- Classroom with seating for perhaps 20, some sort of laptops, and "wifi access"
- Bar (off-limits to asylum seekers, and reserved as a "staff lounge")
- Multi-faith prayer room
- Games room with a pool table and a few chairs
- "Outdoor" space surrounded on all four sides by massive walls made up of the 3-storeys of cabins, so you can't see anything other than sky
- Can**** dining area (not nearly big enough for 500 people)

Other facilities:
- Basic meals 3x a day (but note that the can**** seems far too small to seat everyone at once, so presumably there will be shifts coming and going all the time)
- Laundry service
- On-site nurse 5 days a week
- Access to GP if referred by the nurse

Beyond the ship:
- Airport-style security (metal detectors etc.)
- 24/7 guards conducting "robust security checks"
- 15ft high fence all around
- No pedestrian access to the port or the wider area
- Only way to get to Weymouth and beyond is on the occasional shuttle buses
- Have to sign register every time they leave

The asylum seekers on board are likely to be there between six months and a year or more.

They can't work.

They will be fed and their clothes washed, but they will have just over a pound a day for absolutely everything else they need.

They are expected to spend the overwhelming majority of their time on the barge, where as we've seen there are leisure and learning facilities for maybe 1/10th of people if we're being extremely generous with how we estimate it.

[Leicesterbaggie]

I do believe that we should prioritise any of the Afghans and immediate family who worked for the British Army during their stay in Afghanistan. They should get immediate entry into this country.

[On Balance]

While agreeing with many of your above observations my two major points are that the majority of those making the crossing are young men and that the accommodation provided on the barge looks pretty comfortable to me. Many people who are living on the streets in this country would jump at the opportunity of such accommodation.

I do believe that we should prioritise any of the Afghans and immediate family who worked for the British Army during their stay in Afghanistan. They should get immediate entry into this country.

There is no denying many are young men and there may be reasons for this. Possibly that young men have young wives and young children.

It’s quite feasible that in many cases the males of the family take the opportunity of crossing the hazardous waters in treacherous conditions with the understanding they may well not survive. If they are lucky to survive then they have taken the first step in getting to where they want/need to be.

It will all take time, however, if they get themselves in a position where they can bring wife/children then they will have the opportunity for a new life. Leaving the family behind to make that treacherous journey, at a considerable financial cost, must be a hard decision to make. They must see that leaving their family in situ is safer than putting them in a dinghy.

If anyone can provide an answer on how to dissuade immigrants wanting to come to the UK or provide an answer to how they should be dealt with once here, then I’m sure they would have a large audience very willing to listen.

I do agree with what you suggest re Afghan people who assisted British Military.

[Dubbag]

Why so many men and so few women thought Dubs.

Poverty and being war torn is probably worse for women!

Always men travel far from home for work. Women usually stay behind look after children.
Men most likely get slaughtered and women taken prisoner and raped.
Same story in most conflicts.
The way it is.
Brutal.

[Titchfieldbaggie]

Always men travel far from home for work. Women usually stay behind look after children.
Men most likely get slaughtered and women taken prisoner and raped.
Same story in most conflicts.
The way it is.
Brutal.

Very true. Just didn't realise it was quite so bad in France

[baggieal]

I do believe that we should prioritise any of the Afghans and immediate family who worked for the British Army during their stay in Afghanistan. They should get immediate entry into this country.

Totally agree Leicester. Priority should also be given to those on the streets ( many through no fault of their own ). I would also enforce any food or beverages these illegals get then the elderly in this country should get the same through means testing. You look after your own first!

Those in charge of the trafficking should be given life in prison or if not a citizen deported immediately with their future entry revoked!

[baggieal]

Very true. Just didn't realise it was quite so bad in France

Conditions must be shocking in France for these dinghies to set sail! £££££££££