O/T:- Palestine / Israel

[jackal2]

I think that holding a minute's silence at a football match should only be for a death related to either of the teams playing, a national tragedy, or the death of a national figure. Otherwise it can become pointless virtue signalling and doesn't help victims in any way.

I agree - in fact I'd limit it only to deaths related to the clubs playing. I've said this many times.

I think the announcement before the minute's silence yesterday made it clear that the intention was to pay respects to ALL those who had lost their lives in the current conflict (hopefully not including the Hamas terrorists!) but it served no positive purpose.

I don't think much if any of the disruption of the silence was politically motivated - simply a case of the thickest and drunkest football yobs seeking the only moment of attention they might ever get in their pathetic lives - but it was still distasteful and entirely predictable.

If people collectively want to express their feelings about global events there are far better and more appropriate places to hold such events than football grounds. The only thing you can dare to assume about the collective view of 17,500 football fans is that they agree they want to see some football.

Moments of respect should be limited to acknowledging the passing of people related to either of the teams playing, and in that regard the fan-driven evolution of the 'minutes applause' has proved to be a fantastic way of literally celebrating their lives and - as a great by-product - drowning out any idiots who might use a minute's silence to draw attention to themselves.

[keldsyke]

Anyone who supported terrorism committed an offence and the police are already rightly making arrests. Beyond that, free speech is precious and needs protecting - in all directions. Much as I detest the BNP, I don't think they should be banned either.

Or to put it another way, the biggest cause of division in the UK in my lifetime was Brexit, and I look forward to your support for the arrest of Nigel Farage as a result. Or perhaps it's only certain kinds of division you mean?

The difference is it was a democratic referendum so legal, but by the sounds of it because you didn’t get your way you are stamping your feet like a spoilt child, get over it, it’s happened move on…. Oh BTW as someone who was working abroad in Europe before and at the time and experienced ‘abuse’ for being a non resident or ‘Ausländer’ for taking jobs from the local population I’ve experienced both sides and it’s not nice, just adding some balance to your non-balanced arguments… also I won’t go into the extra abuse my Black mate who was working with the team at the time got too

[OchPie]

The difference is it was a democratic referendum so legal, but by the sounds of it because you didn’t get your way you are stamping your feet like a spoilt child, get over it, it’s happened move on…. Oh BTW as someone who was working abroad in Europe before and at the time and experienced ‘abuse’ for being a non resident or ‘Ausländer’ for taking jobs from the local population I’ve experienced both sides and it’s not nice, just adding some balance to your non-balanced arguments… also I won’t go into the extra abuse my Black mate who was working with the team at the time got too

That's hardly an answer, just a lot of ranting. Brexit was the biggest cause of division in the UK in my lifetime. Not just the referendum result, but the run-up to it (which included the murder of an MP, let me remind you). You want an example of division stoking violence in the UK, it's the biggest one we've had.

[Magpies1959]

Arrest Nigel Farage , arrested for behaving in a democratic fashion.

[keldsyke]

That's hardly an answer, just a lot of ranting. Brexit was the biggest cause of division in the UK in my lifetime. Not just the referendum result, but the run-up to it (which included the murder of an MP, let me remind you). You want an example of division stoking violence in the UK, it's the biggest one we've had.

I wasn’t working in the UK at the time I was working in Europe so I’ll just take your biased views of what was happening back in the UK , and I’ll stick to my biased views from benefitting from working and living in the EU at the time along with all the problems there too 👍

Oh and when we arrest Nigel Farage we can arrest Tony Blair at the same time for war crimes? Do you agree?

[BJPIE]

That's hardly an answer, just a lot of ranting. Brexit was the biggest cause of division in the UK in my lifetime. Not just the referendum result, but the run-up to it (which included the murder of an MP, let me remind you). You want an example of division stoking violence in the UK, it's the biggest one we've had.

That's a ridiculous statement. Brexit was a democratically supported outcome. It unified many in this country who feel more and more marginalised. Just because it doesn't meet your agenda you decry it as divisive. Law abiding tax payers voted for it. Why can't you accept that???

[Mapperleypie]

benefitting from working and living in the EU

That must have been nice for you.

At least you have removed that option from the young of today with absolutely no upside for them (or anyone) whatsoever.

You are either extremely selfish or have been lied to and cannot admit it.

[OchPie]

Arrest Nigel Farage , arrested for behaving in a democratic fashion.

Why not, when some posters want BLM arrested for behaving in a democratic fashion?

I wasn’t working in the UK at the time I was working in Europe so I’ll just take your biased views of what was happening back in the UK , and I’ll stick to my biased views from benefitting from working and living in the EU at the time along with all the problems there too ��

Oh and when we arrest Nigel Farage we can arrest Tony Blair at the same time for war crimes? Do you agree?

Nah, you're right. Just two sets of bias.

My biased view is that Brexit was incredibly divisive that split families and the country in often bitter argument. Your biased view is that everyone loved Brexit.

My biased view is that Nigel Farage was an incredibly divisive figure, loathed and loved by different parts of the country, who never had enough support to win national office. Your biased view is that everyone loved him, so much so that they even shared their milkshakes with him out of kindness.

My biased view is that the Brexit vote was very close, with Leave winning 52-48 - the exact result Farage said he would never accept if it went against him. Your biased view is that Brexit vote was won 100-0.

Just two biased views.

As for Tony Blair - this is your flight of fantasy, not mine.

That's a ridiculous statement. Brexit was a democratically supported outcome. It unified many in this country who feel more and more marginalised. Just because it doesn't meet your agenda you decry it as divisive. Law abiding tax payers voted for it. Why can't you accept that???

It obviously didn't unify the country in any way. Law abiding tax payers voted against it too. Leave won and we left, and now the campaign begins to reverse it - just as the campaign against the previous referendum began when we stayed in. Why can't you accept that?

[Magpies1959]

BLM behaving in a democratic fashion, like rioting and looting, I really need to drink some of the stuff you partake in. You talk about Brexit being the biggest cause of division, you really need to look at the motives of BLM. It has set harmony between blacks and whites, back years.

[OchPie]

You talk about Brexit being the biggest cause of division, you really need to look at the motives of BLM. It has set harmony between blacks and whites, back years.

I don't think the majority of black people would agree with you. While a lot of old, white people definitely would. I wonder what that could mean?