O/T:- Palestine / Israel

[keldsyke]

That must have been nice for you.

At least you have removed that option from the young of today with absolutely no upside for them (or anyone) whatsoever.

You are either extremely selfish or have been lied to and cannot admit it.

Would you like to share your experiences of living and working in Europe at that time? Or are you basing it on what you were told living back here with no experience? I’ve posted before why I voted leave and not repeating it, at the time what we were being ‘fed’ in Europe was the main reasons people in the UK wanted to stay was the outrage of having higher roaming charges and the fact students wouldn’t get access to cheap rail cards through Europe! My decision was based on tbe thought of other Europeans and where tbe EU is headed.

[Old_pie]

Would you like to share your experiences of living and working in Europe at that time? Or are you basing it on what you were told living back here with no experience? I’ve posted before why I voted leave and not repeating it, at the time what we were being ‘fed’ in Europe was the main reasons people in the UK wanted to stay was the outrage of having higher roaming charges and the fact students wouldn’t get access to cheap rail cards through Europe! My decision was based on tbe thought of other Europeans and where tbe EU is headed.

Just curious, and this is OT, but when any of us Brits cross the channel to go to any European country it seems to me we generally say "we are going to Europe". What do Germans (or other Europeans) say when they are going to Europe and do they distinguish going to Europe to going to the UK?

[Newish Pie]

BLM behaving in a democratic fashion, like rioting and looting, I really need to drink some of the stuff you partake in. You talk about Brexit being the biggest cause of division, you really need to look at the motives of BLM. It has set harmony between blacks and whites, back years.

What do you think BLM actually is? What do you think they want, and why? You talk as if BLM is a monolithic organisation, and I don't think that's the case at all. A number of people appear to have got weirdly triggered by BLM's mere existence in a way that I don't really understand. And I wonder if it's through misunderstanding (or being misled) about what they actually are or want. It's fundamentally a US movement for a US context, but has obviously inspired others who are opposed to racial injustice in other countries.

[OchPie]

Just curious, and this is OT, but when any of us Brits cross the channel to go to any European country it seems to me we generally say "we are going to Europe". What do Germans (or other Europeans) say when they are going to Europe and do they distinguish going to Europe to going to the UK?

If you mean for Germans or other Europeans in the UK, my sense is they'd only say "we are going to Europe" if they were highlighting the multi-country nature of the visit.

If you mean in their home countries, they are already in Europe and I don't think it would cross their mind. Especially with Schengen - when I cycled from France to the Netherlands there was only a sign to say I crossed the first border, and only Google Maps and a cattle grid to tell me I crossed the second. That said, maybe the Greeks might say that?

[keldsyke]

Just curious, and this is OT, but when any of us Brits cross the channel to go to any European country it seems to me we generally say "we are going to Europe". What do Germans (or other Europeans) say when they are going to Europe and do they distinguish going to Europe to going to the UK?

Really interesting question that and never thought about it to be honest, but thinking about it now and I can't ever remember any Germans, French etc referring to going to any European country as 'Europe', but always by the countries name although the UK was always referred to as 'England' by the Germans in particular. The times we travelled to the UK the Germans and French really didn't like to come to the UK, I guess they had pre-conceived ideas too about the UK.

Just another observation that you may find interesting, it really struck me massively when I first went across how most Europeans speak at least one other language fluently. I'm not sure if it's a reflection on our education system but it really made me feel inferior to others and it made me think how languages aren't pushed at a very early age in our schools. I started to learn German but in a city like Frankfurt most people were either fluent in English or there first language was English so it wasn't easy to practice. Although I'm back here, Even after leaving I am still learning German, French and a bit of Spanish too. I still go to Europe a lot with work and being able to understand / communicate a little makes me feel better in myself but IMO languages need to be pushed at an early age in our schools like in Europe. We often talked about it out there but as one of my Czech mates said 'The English are ****ing lazy, that's why you don't learn languages', whether that is true or not I don't know but with English being a predominant language perhaps we think there is no need to learn another language?

[Magpies1959]

Glad you can speak for the majority of black people OchPie. Why the hell would it be, old, white people, that agreed with it. Smacks of you being a bit racist, in thinking old, white people do not like black people.

[OchPie]

Glad you can speak for the majority of black people OchPie. Why the hell would it be, old, white people, that agreed with it. Smacks of you being a bit racist, in thinking old, white people do not like black people.

Like I said, I wonder why it is?

[BJPIE]

Like I said, I wonder why it is?

Nailing your colours to the master Ochpie!!! Seems you don't accept everyone's viewpoint. If old white people think it has increased racial tension, then should accept that's how they feel and not classify them as racist. Your intolerance of people's opinion ends me to only one conclusion.

[Elite_Pie]

Smacks of you being a bit racist, in thinking old, white people do not like black people.

That's not being racist, it's merely stating a fact.

Are you seriously suggesting that older white people are just as tolerant of foreigners as younger white people?

[OchPie]

You got a reference for that poll? Looks like you made it yourself in Windows Paint… ‘There’s none as prejudice than those that cry prejudice themselves’ …

You got a reference for that quote? Looks like you made it up yourself to deflect...

The graph is from here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...say-in-uk-poll

The polling company gives more details:

Whether the Black Lives Matter movement causes racial tension or unity in the UK is debatable. On one hand, more than half (55%) of those aware of the BLM movement say the movement has increased racial tensions in the UK, and 43% feel when people say ‘Black Lives Matter’ it makes them think the lives of other races are less important.

The feeling that the BLM movement has increased racial tensions is highest amongst over 55-year olds (63%), compared to those aged between 18-34 (43%) and 35-54 (55%). Those living in Northern Ireland (64%) and Conservative voters (78% compared to 40% of Labour voters) are also groups who tend to believe the BLM movement has increased racial tensions.

On the other hand, a third (32%) believe the BLM movement has created unity between different ethnic communities, and double that proportion (66%) say the BLM movement advocates that the lives of black people are of equal importance to other people’s lives. Half (51%) believe fundamentally, the BLM movement fights for what is right, rising to 70% of ethnic minorities.

In terms of the aims of the BLM movement, 45% say the aims are reasonable and realistic, rising to 66% of ethnic minorities. Others are confused about what the BLM movement stands for (22%), and a quarter (25%) think it’s a Marxist organisation, rising to 41% of Conservative voters.

https://www.opinium.com/wp-content/u...ent-Report.pdf