OT - what the hell is going on!

[MadAmster]

At Grammar School, I'd had a couple of well deserved slaps from teachers. Then one day, I got one that was wholly undeserved and the teacher in question would not enter into a discussion about the rights or wrongs of what he'd meted out. Went home, told me Dad, got another one because "a teacher wouldn't hit you for no reason".

Next day I approached said teacher, told him I was still unhappy about being, IMO, wrongly chastised and that I'd told Dad and got another one. I demanded the right to put my case. Having done all this in a polite manner I was invited to put my side. Teach listened intently and, when I'd finished my explanation, agreed he had been hasty in his actions, he now "owed me one". My next indiscretion would be pointed out but the punishment would be "time served". I'm still owed that one indiscretion.

[swaledale]

100% agree with that comment, Sith. Especially the one about school days. I would never have told my parents that IÂ’d been in trouble at school for fear of another slap!

Also think we have to keep a sense of perspective. It sounds dreadful, especially from afar, and indeed such incidents are, but they remain relatively rare and are, sadly, far from unprecedented. Remember Jamie Bulger, as just one particularly sad but memorable example from over 30 years ago.

As for the predictable waffle from you know who about the ‘decline in Christian values’ and it being attributable to the ‘multi faith mix’. Absolute garbage, yet more sh1t stirring and I’m sure there were wonderful examples of parenting on display during the rioting of a few weeks ago.

P.S. CanÂ’t help but agree with GP about the trivialisation/normalisation of violence in some video games and, unfortunately, that some people are simply not fit to reproduce. No idea what you do about the latter though.

Agree with most of what you say rA.

Apart from the danger of extrapolating a "scenario" from what's reported and coming to a potentially flawed conclusion, there are a number of factors which whilst not denying there is a problem, doesn't necessarily point to it being a bigger one than was the case in our youth.

The wider reporting of such incidents, coupled with exposure on social media and the way these incidents are reported often makes them seem more common than used to be the case.

However, I'm sure most on here are old enough to remember the days in the 60's and 70's when there were gangs armed with various weapons weapons including razor blades, coshes with nails etc. and knives and indeed individuals who were basically psychopaths and loved nothing more than meaningless violence. MODs, Rockers, Teddy Boys?

I was brought up in a village on a council estate and there were lads in those days who you simply wouldn't mess with, they wouldn't hesitate to stab or slash anyone who crossed them and no they certainly didn't respect their elders either.

I have lived and worked in Newcastle, Birmingham and London and was well aware of the dangers of certain areas, again stabbings were common place. Anybody who attended football matches especially away games in the 70's and 80's will have been well aware of the aggro and trouble that went on.

I wouldn't deny that there has been a rise in such incidents at the moment, but decades ago there was much less awareness of what went on other than in a local area and of course no social media.

I was reading this week about the fact that a youth involved in serious rioting, had his sentencing hearing postponed, because his mother had chosen to go on holiday rather than attend as required! No idea of her economic or social status, but an example perhaps of parents who don't actually parent?

Having worked in areas involving the less fortunate and having been brought up on a council estate I'm well aware of people who were less than model parents. Though I would say, there are many in the better educated and well off sectors of society who are equally poor at parenting and where the same or similar issues arise. These of course tend to be hidden by money - the wayward or even criminal child can be sent to a clinic and its no secret that a supposedly more respectable member of society will often get a lesser sentence for the same offence than a member of the lower strata.

On the video game issue, there is little concrete evidence from research that points to this being a major factor, as with the outcry over films etc. in my youth, many millions partake and don't act in this way. I mean cars being driven badly and recklessly tend to be a big killer of young males and sometimes unfortunate people who get unwittingly involved.

Violence and the tendency of certain humans to use this as a way of gaining power, a sick way of entertaining themselves or simply as a demonstration of lack of respect for authority has always been with us, I'd be wary of coming to the conclusion that's its worse today than historically and very wary of ascribing one single factor in its root cause.

[Geoff Parkstone]

All fair points Swale but I'd also note that the historic aggro tended to be peer group to peer group. Football fans v football fans. Mods v Rockers.

I don't recall my much violence in the "child(ren) kill(s) pensioner" category, although I accept today's focus on social media and widespread news coverage tends to put a worse light on today's society.

[Trickytreesreds]

[QUOTE=ramAnag;40562624]I’m not ‘rebuking Christian values’ at all…indeed I think the example set by Jesus Christ is one we would all do well to follow…especially you.

What the hell is that supposed to mean?
I certainly haven't crossed the 10 commandments line and have never been arrested. Seeing as passed all the required checks for being allowed to own a firearm and work in an HMP. I certainly don't see how JC can make me anymore mainstream?

[swaledale]

All fair points Swale but I'd also note that the historic aggro tended to be peer group to peer group. Football fans v football fans. Mods v Rockers.

I don't recall my much violence in the "child(ren) kill(s) pensioner" category, although I accept today's focus on social media and widespread news coverage tends to put a worse light on today's society.

The evidence that I can find suggests thats very rare at any time, but I can recall in my youth kids targeting and attacking an elderly lady who lived on her own simply because they thought she was "weird", I don't think human nature changes much in reality.

[ramAnag]

[QUOTE=Trickytreesreds;40562741]

I’m not ‘rebuking Christian values’ at all…indeed I think the example set by Jesus Christ is one we would all do well to follow…especially you.

What the hell is that supposed to mean?
I certainly haven't crossed the 10 commandments line and have never been arrested. Seeing as passed all the required checks for being allowed to own a firearm and work in an HMP. I certainly don't see how JC can make me anymore mainstream?

It means, if you falsely accuse me of ‘rebuking Christian values’ don’t be surprised if you get some back, moreover, and as I’ve said before, you come across as being amongst the least charitable/christian people I’ve encountered. The parable of the Good Samaritan certainly seems to have passed you by.

P.S. Allowing you to possess a firearm may terrify most of us…but it sure as hell is no indication of you posessing Christian virtues.

[Trickytreesreds]

[QUOTE=ramAnag;40562751]

It means, if you falsely accuse me of ‘rebuking Christian values’ don’t be surprised if you get some back, moreover, and as I’ve said before, you come across as being amongst the least charitable/christian people I’ve encountered. The parable of the Good Samaritan certainly seems to have passed you by.

P.S. Allowing you to possess a firearm may terrify most of us…but it sure as hell is no indication of you posessing Christian virtues.

oh really? You have no idea of my good samaritan leanings.
Charity is a wonderful thing. But being a gullible fool like yourself, does not make you saintly.
As said before with your comment about you being anti British. Yes it was harsh, but certainly airs more on the side of the "waving a piece of paper" in my hand catagory of stupidity, with the nation.

Why would allowing me to own a firearm terrify you? We have ferrel drug nuts running around with machetes etc. I'd have thought you real fear would be on them getting ownership of one.
In the past I have owned fiull sporting rifles and pistols for competition shooting. Those days are gone.
Exactly how clay pigeon shooting effects christian values eludes me. You really are away with the fairies sort aren't you?
Amazing how an olympic sport can upset you so much

[Geoff Parkstone]

"you come across as being amongst the least charitable/christian people I’ve encountered."

Now you've upset me, I thought I had that accolade. Sink the boats!

[Trickytreesreds]

"you come across as being amongst the least charitable/christian people I’ve encountered."

Now you've upset me, I thought I had that accolade. Sink the boats!

[Trickytreesreds]

Here is a fine example. Drug dealer, caught with his stuff and a machete.
Gets 38 weeks?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAIpupr8DxQ

But 2 kier, is on it, with smoking outside pubs