Sack him, save our season

[nw6pie]

came on here to see whether anyone was going to mention this. Stall was very insightful and unusually pointed today, almost calling out our captain by name, offering loads of food for thought including the observation about the post match fan/team interactions.

About stats, I've proven beyond any doubt that I'm no expert on here, but surely stats aren't supposed to be single-use things like the more possession = the more points, or the most xG the more goals. Much more likely to be meaningful in clusters - like xG - xGA
+ pass accuracy + passes in oppos box or whatever, but taken as a whole picture rather than as a single infallible indicator aren't they?

*** Great discussion by LeftPeg, Jacob and lots of others on here, helping me put things Notts in clearer perspective. Don't read other fans message boards very often, but we're lucky to have the depth (and breadth) of posts we often get here. TY! What price old-school journalism?

Possession for possession’s sake, with no end product, has been our biggest failing under the Reedtz. I’ll never forget the nightmare that was Notts v Halifax under Ardley where it literally felt like there was a force field keeping us from crossing the halfway line. We had similar problems at times under Burchnall and now they’ve returned with Maynard.

It would actually benefit us if we had a limited amount of time with the ball before having to forfeit possession, like the “shot clock” rule in basketball.

[Lullapie]

Conversely, would we have drifted down the League One table into 20 years of obscurity had Big Sam not walked out when he did.

Nobody knows, but we were in a fantastic position that season to head into the Championship, and Big Sam leaving obviously changed the course of history. I wonder if we?d be a PL fixture now, such as a Fulham, Brighton or a Bournemouth.

Instead we?ve had two decades of dross.

This is what I am talking about. I'm getting on a bit, but there's obviously quite a few on here who, whether or not they are older than me, are reverting back to a long time ago.

My whole point is that we cannot compare the role of Head Coaches today at Notts to the time when we had 'managers'. Owners were expected to pump their money in and keep out of the playing side of the club.

The world has moved on from that. Many clubs and businesses set their structure up today, where if the Head Coach or the COO departs, the system remains the same under the new incumbent.

Neither LW or SM it seems bought/buys the players. None of us know this for certain (although a few infer that they might have inside knowledge of something different), but my proof is players that been brought into the club, but have hardly ever played.

Some also have very short term memories. LW did very well for Notts in the NL, but was beginning to fail in L1 once the other teams sussed out how Notts played - in my opinion the 'decline' started before Notts got promotion. There was no Plan B - possibly similar to SM. Again, Williams did have some middle stage success with Swansea, but once his tactics were sussed out, Swansea began to fail. You can't keep blaming the quality of playing staff at every club, but then again, I'm not solely blaming the coach either.

If it's purely down to motivation, you often find that the best motivators, Warnock and Allardyce have been named, would NEVER have been employed by the current owners.

My point is, I believe SM, like LW had been employed to 'coach' the players that they have at their disposal. They don't recruit, they don't even have the opportunity to employ their own tactics. In return, they are promised nearly unlimited support by the owners.

[Lullapie]

Possession for possession?s sake, with no end product, has been our biggest failing under the Reedtz. I?ll never forget the nightmare that was Notts v Halifax under Ardley where it literally felt like there was a force field keeping us from crossing the halfway line. We had similar problems at times under Burchnall and now they?ve returned with Maynard.

It would actually benefit us if we had a limited amount of time with the ball before having to forfeit possession, like the ?shot clock? rule in basketball.

Good post - possession without penetration is pointless - Sir Alex.

[Lullapie]

Has any appointment perceived by the fans as underwhelming or with baggage ever managed to win the fans over? None that I can remember - from Larry Lloyd through to Gary Brazil, to Keith Curle, to Stuart Maynard, and many more along the way.

As a manager/head coach, you?re hoping to be given a little credit when you hit a bad spell, but none of these got this because they weren?t greeted with any enthusiasm from the beginning. Curle?s arguably the only one there who deserved a little more respect, but his association with Mansfield overrode that.

I think everybody, deep down, would like a Head Coach who is a little crazy. Think of some of the nutters we've had and many are fondly remembered. I'm thinking of Martin Allen, Ricardo Moniz, Warnock, Allardyce, Cotterill, Jimmy McMullan or Jamie Fullerton (obviously taking the p!$$ on that one).

Of course, success is important too, but we yearn for a head case/coach who delivers results, but has a few mad stories about their coaching methods to tell the grandkids.

Unfortunately, that probably wouldn't sit well with our Danish owners.

Any way, I have some ironing to do........

[LeftPeg_Pie]

Possession for possession?s sake, with no end product, has been our biggest failing under the Reedtz. I?ll never forget the nightmare that was Notts v Halifax under Ardley where it literally felt like there was a force field keeping us from crossing the halfway line. We had similar problems at times under Burchnall and now they?ve returned with Maynard.

It would actually benefit us if we had a limited amount of time with the ball before having to forfeit possession, like the ?shot clock? rule in basketball.

I totally agree, that having possession for the sake of it is pointless. It is absolutely about what you do with it. I would definitely like us to move the ball quicker and have the odd pot shot when we get into good spaces.

Im not sure many fans celebrate the possession stat over everything else, like Mace was saying last night. But just using that stat is pointless. If you see what that has led to across the season, there is an argument (quite an obvious one) to be made that you are better off having the ball than not.

To summarise what I posted Sunday night, statistically we are Top/Top 5 on attacking and possession metrics and Top/Top 3 on defensive metrics.

The biggest takeaway from them is we create the most chances and miss the most chances (a relatively obvious correlation) and I would say when you apply the eye-test vs statistical analysis, that is an observation most fans would make too.

Again, statistical analysis clearly does not take into consideration the things a lot of us have found frustrating recently, but it gives a solid indication of what is going on.

[Notts78]

I totally agree, that having possession for the sake of it is pointless. It is absolutely about what you do with it. I would definitely like us to move the ball quicker and have the odd pot shot when we get into good spaces.

Im not sure many fans celebrate the possession stat over everything else, like Mace was saying last night. But just using that stat is pointless. If you see what that has led to across the season, there is an argument (quite an obvious one) to be made that you are better off having the ball than not.

To summarise what I posted Sunday night, statistically we are Top/Top 5 on attacking and possession metrics and Top/Top 3 on defensive metrics.

The biggest takeaway from them is we create the most chances and miss the most chances (a relatively obvious correlation) and I would say when you apply the eye-test vs statistical analysis, that is an observation most fans would make too.

Again, statistical analysis clearly does not take into consideration the things a lot of us have found frustrating recently, but it gives a solid indication of what is going on.

The missed chances is such an obvious observation. Some on here think Jatta is worth mega money yet in the last 3 games alone has left 4/5 goals on the pitch. Whether we deserved more or not from those games is irrelevant. Goals change games. Jatta?s misses have proved costly and he?s not the only one.

[Woodypie]

They've said themselves that they feel they can sustain us in the Championship but not necessarily going up to the PL. One would think that meant the Championship is their current aim. I honestly don't know where you get such a negative vibe as your posts are giving off recently about the Bros.. They've made few, if any, false steps thus far in the balancing act of making us competitive whilst fixing the business from the bottom up.

I can totally understand that we're all at various levels of foaming at the mouth about the recent performances on the pitch, however. I'm not a massive Maynard fan but I'm not anti-Maynard either. I just think he's struggled hugely with the injury crises this season.

It's reassuring to see our visionary owners have a plan - promotion to as high in the League as Notts can get, at some unspecified point in time. How did they come up with that one!

[Notts78]

It's reassuring to see our visionary owners have a plan - promotion to as high in the League as Notts can get, at some unspecified point in time. How did they come up with that one!

Beats all the ?Championship in 5 years? promises? which has never been achieved.

[Boomerangpie]

Pretty much what Hardy said.

And that is pretty much where the similarities end, thank the lord.

Still he spoke loads and gave rumoured transfer targets that very rarely materialised to the fans and never missed a chance to speak to the Evening Post

[Boomerangpie]

When the current owners tenure ends, will their peak position be closer to the peaks that have been achieved this century at non-glamour clubs such as Reading, Wigan, Bournemouth, Charlton, Luton, Hull, Huddersfield, Brentford, Swansea, Burnley, Barnsley, Fulham, QPR, Bolton, Watford, Millwall, Blackburn, Cardiff, Rotherham, Peterborough, even Burton, Yeovil, Stockport, Wycombe, Oxford...... the sort of positions Pavis and Dunnett reached or bettered (from a starting point of 91st in Dunnet's case), or will their peak be in the same ball park as the heights reached by Trew, Hardy, the Trust and Scardino?

As we are, and based on the last 6 years, I'd say the latter looks the more likely.

It?s hard to stay but their tenure is already longer than the latter group who as we know all ran out of funds and enthusiasm so they have a chance to better that infamous group.

Of course the gap haves and have nots has undoubtedly widened and it?s harder to punch above your weight in this era because of the increased money now in the game.

What is interesting with that non-glamour list of clubs is a good percentage of them have spent huge money on either upgrading their existing ground or moving to a purpose built stadium.