O/T Reform

[Back of the net]

Looks like Reform is coming.
Who would have thought if you lie to the country repeatedly it would come back to bite you.
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Change is happening.

[Lolmorgan]

Another loony running the Country if they get into power.

[Brin]

Looks like Reform is coming.
Who would have thought if you lie to the country repeatedly it would come back to bite you.
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Change is happening.

And should Farage get in....nothing will change it's all smoke, mirrors and hot air from anyone who takes over this country. Farage....yesterday's Conservative fodder who couldn't climb any higher so defected to form something else.

Great ideas IF he ever got in but something or someone would block anything if it was to be seen as too far Xenophobic, racist, anti anything.
Plenty to spout about to get the votes but I don't think he has the bolox to carry anything out the majority of the contry would like to see starting with totally illegal immigrants...starting with Albanians.

[animallittle3]

Looks like Reform is coming.
Who would have thought if you lie to the country repeatedly it would come back to bite you.
🤣🤣🤣 love it.
Change is happening.

I've thought for quite a while it would be a mistake to underestimate Nigel Farage but at the same time it would be incredibly difficult for Reform to win a GE with the voting system we have .

Farage enjoys a privileged political position , his party are not tainted by ever having to run the country , even the Dems are stained by their coalition with Cameron .

The Tories are well and truly trashed and Labour haven't exactly come in to office and even slightly made things any better , you could argue they've made things even worse .

With the Tories heading towards oblivion and Labour muddling along at best without any real grip on anything it's little wonder Farage and Reform are gaining vote share .

The truth of the matter is that the UK has steadily declined , probably since the end of WW2 and the constant kicking this can down the road is probably coming to an end and getting replaced with reality .

It probably wasn't the greatest GE to win for Labour at least by comparison to 1997 but someone had to win it seen as the Tories couldn't possibly win again after the shenanigans of Johnson and Truss .

It may well be that Farage and Reform see the reality that the Tories and Labour don't want to address , it may well be that they will lower taxes but you'll pay out of your own pocket for healthcare or many other things that taxes are meant to pay for .

Maybe that's what enough people want , maybe they are right but what if they aren't ?

That's the risk the electorate may have to take in four years time but none the less it seems to me that overturning a huge Labour majority by a party with no experience of government led by a man who ran for the hills when the 2016 referendum result was announced may be a step too far for just enough of the electorate .

[Lolmorgan]

And should Farage get in....nothing will change it's all smoke, mirrors and hot air from anyone who takes over this country. Farage....yesterday's Conservative fodder who couldn't climb any higher so defected to form something else.

Great ideas IF he ever got in but something or someone would block anything if it was to be seen as too far Xenophobic, racist, anti anything.
Plenty to spout about to get the votes but I don't think he has the bolox to carry anything out the majority of the contry would like to see starting with totally illegal immigrants...starting with Albanians.

Brin don?t say that, that?s ELKs new holiday destination

[great_fire]

A lot can happen in four years.

If Labour are still doing badly before the general election they will change the leader like the Canadian liberals did, it worked for them.

[animallittle3]

And should Farage get in....nothing will change it's all smoke, mirrors and hot air from anyone who takes over this country. Farage....yesterday's Conservative fodder who couldn't climb any higher so defected to form something else.

Great ideas IF he ever got in but something or someone would block anything if it was to be seen as too far Xenophobic, racist, anti anything.
Plenty to spout about to get the votes but I don't think he has the bolox to carry anything out the majority of the contry would like to see starting with totally illegal immigrants...starting with Albanians.

I agree Brin that immigration is way too high and that boat crossings are pretty irritating plus the fact deporting people seems to be incredibly difficult but for all that that's not why the country is on it's backside .

It's on it's backside because the economy is stagnant and governments of both main party's haven't a clue how to ignite it .

The country is in one hell of a rut and in many old industrial towns in the North it's more or less had it's day which in my opinion is feeding the Reform vote .

Many places have been left to rot and abandoned by the political class which obviously includes the population , they were abandoned and left to rot whilst we were in the EU so that debate about EU funding doesn't quite tell the whole story .

People in the North were pyssed off when Blair was in power so this isn't something that membership of the EU made any better , leaving may have made it worse but none the less it wasn't that great to start with .

The country needs to get it's entrepreneurial spirit back and invest in young people in the North especially .

Enterprise zones like the Docklands enjoyed in the 80's , pay young people the minimum wage for a year whilst they start businesses even .

Do bloody something .

[NorthWestCorner]

Interesting political times. Change does appear to be happening but given we have another 4 years to go, this could just be a protest vote that fades away the closer we move to the next GE.

[animallittle3]

Interesting political times. Change does appear to be happening but given we have another 4 years to go, this could just be a protest vote that fades away the closer we move to the next GE.

It could be but for the fact Runcorn was a forever Labour seat with a majority of 14k and we aren't even 12 months in to the Labour government .

I take the point Reform won by only 6 votes but that is still a very impressive achievement to overturn such a majority in one of Labour's safest seats .

The take from the elections is that if they were elections in the seats Labour won marginally last year then they would lose a huge amount of them to Reform .

There should be huge alarms going off inside the Labour government right now and the centralised tin eared approach needs to be changed .

I've said before nobody really wanted a Labour government it's just that we wanted the Tories even less and in no shape or form is this government comparable to Blair's .

Banking on growth without any real policy or clue how to create growth in order to drive public investment seems unlikely .

[Brin]

It could be but for the fact Runcorn was a forever Labour seat with a majority of 14k and we aren't even 12 months in to the Labour government .

I take the point Reform won by only 6 votes but that is still a very impressive achievement to overturn such a majority in one of Labour's safest seats .

The take from the elections is that if they were elections in the seats Labour won marginally last year then they would lose a huge amount of them to Reform .

There should be huge alarms going off inside the Labour government right now and the centralised tin eared approach needs to be changed .

I've said before nobody really wanted a Labour government it's just that we wanted the Tories even less and in no shape or form is this government comparable to Blair's .

Banking on growth without any real policy or clue how to create growth in order to drive public investment seems unlikely .

I'm voting animallittle3 for the next PM.