O/T:- Two party system

[chaincey.ncfc]

The trouble is with politics is that no matter who you vote for politicians always get in

[Med Pie]

I found it interesting and slightly confounding that when the now Mayor of Lincolnshire spoke about 'putting illegals in tents as they are in France', the other candidates walked off stage. They are clearly, utterly, tone deaf and in absolute denial as to why they've been rejected so I hope they enjoy their time on the sidelines.

[i961pie]

I found it interesting and slightly confounding that when the now Mayor of Lincolnshire spoke about 'putting illegals in tents as they are in France', the other candidates walked off stage. They are clearly, utterly, tone deaf and in absolute denial as to why they've been rejected so I hope they enjoy their time on the sidelines.

When politicians don't listen to the people the likes of reform come to the fore. It's happening all over Europe.

[jackal2]

When politicians don't listen to the people the likes of Reform come to the fore. It's happening all over Europe.

That's true, but even those politicians who do "get" what public is saying will often be blocked from putting those ideas into action, or at least see them watered down, by a bureaucracy that is still very much designed/minded to preserve the status quo.

At the moment the public are - fortunately - still relying on democratic processes to express their desire for change, but their growing frustration is reflected by the shift towards a more radical party which happens to be Reform.

If the bureaucratic system, be it local government officialdom or the civil service, again conspire to thwart the degree of change the public expect, then the frustration will only continue to grow, potentially to a point where large numbers of the public no longer rely on politicians or democratic processes to express and implement their view.

Add to that the fact that many of the politicians being elected are either not equipped with the intelligence or experience to take on the bureaucracy, or are themselves just opportunists looking to make a fast buck rather than truly seeking implement change, and it makes you wonder where this all leads.

[the_anticlough]

That's true, but even those politicians who do "get" what public is saying will often be blocked from putting those ideas into action, or at least see them watered down, by a bureaucracy that is still very much designed/minded to preserve the status quo.

This is that dumb Trumpian idea/lie about a mythical 'deep state'.
No, change doesn't happen because of the predilections and choices of the parties that get elected and whose interests they ultimately represent and serve

We will now see that adding 5 years of a Farage premiership to the current sorry shower will mean another full decade in which nothing will be done to improve in the lives of the long-suffering British people.

[Med Pie]

This is that dumb Trumpian idea/lie about a mythical 'deep state'.
No, change doesn't happen because of the predilections and choices of the parties that get elected and whose interests they ultimately represent and serve

We will now see that adding 5 years of a Farage premiership to the current sorry shower will mean another full decade in which nothing will be done to improve in the lives of the long-suffering British people.

Not really, various stories have surfaced over the last few years as to how civil servants are stymying the political will of the people at every turn with impunity.

The wonderful Stephen Fry said 'the rise of the right is the lefts fault'.........................................

[the_anticlough]

Various stories and Stephen Fry, right you are

[TheBlackHorse]

... I'm also curious to know what the lefty/wokes think will happen if the present rate of influx of economic chancers continues for as long as they would like/or the useless politicians simply fail to take action. Just imagine ... day after day ... 50 to 150 arrivals, (fine weather accepted) ... just what do they think will happen?
Answers please ..

[SinceSept1959]

With regards to historical inquiries , which of our elected female politicians are indeed fit for public office ?
Anyone who has seen the Katie Lam speech in the HOC and the reactions of Jess Phillips and Lucy Powell , recently ,give an insight into their allegiances and contempt for the unfortunate victims and the electorate ?

[Jampie]

... I'm also curious to know what the lefty/wokes think will happen if the present rate of influx of economic chancers continues for as long as they would like/or the useless politicians simply fail to take action. Just imagine ... day after day ... 50 to 150 arrivals, (fine weather accepted) ... just what do they think will happen?
Answers please ..

Woke here. 150 per day is 54,750 per year, or less than 5% of the total 1.2M immigration into the UK per year at the moment. I don't condone illegal immigration or asylum seekers country-shopping, but what will happen is essentially what would happen anyway because the amount is nothing compared to legal immigration.