I'm inclined to agree with you, Mick. The Party who I've voted for all my life has gone too far to the Politically Correct Left. The worst thing anyone ever did for the Party was Miliband stabbing his brother's back - they've been in freefall ever since.

The Tories are in just as much of a shambles, though. Reading Soulman's Thread on Hammond, I despair. And if Theresa doesn't sack that fat bag of shyte Johnson soon, she will lose whatever bit of faith I had in her.

They'll never again get in, but if Vince Cable could grasp the opportunity he could lead a Centre Party quite well.