Quote Originally Posted by Jezleeds View Post
From the first team squad listed on Wiki from June 2018 of 36 Leeds United squad players, I reckon at least 18 of them, are Orta signings, many of those 'first-teamers' from last year.

So if you are saying Bielsa could achieve promotion with that squad, you are saying that he is going to be able to do that with Orta signings, because the other 18 or so are peripheral figures who don't play, or 3 or 4 first-teamers from last year that pre-date Orta.

You've said hundreds and hundreds of times that Orta should go because his signings are terrible.

So therefore, my query, put to you previously in a spirit of debate, now in one of weary, half-hearted, can't be a rsed and 'sick to the back teeth of all this kind of adversarial bull that happens every time anything is discussed on here' resignation, still seems pretty fair minded - if you're saying Bielsa can turn the sow's ear into a silk purse, then he'll have to do it with a majority of Orta signings.

As such, it contradicts your long-stated view (that I've long agreed with, ironically) that Orta's signings are not good enough and he shouldn't be trusted to make any more.

Doesn't it?

PS Do you think you could avoid the antagonistic comments? All I've done is disagree with you, ask you some questions and challenged your consistency in a polite and reasonable way. You've called that thin-skinned, and suggested I was picking fights. Why not just deal with the (genuine) question - I'm actually interested to know how you square those two views.
Dog with a bone aint'cha?

Rather than use Wiki, I suggest you use the club site, so all the players and their positions are also available.

So, for the record, here are the players in the 1st team, and their positions, and a guide as to whether they were recruited by Orta or not;

GK
BPF

Defenders
Orta - Anita, De Bock, Shaughnessy
Pre-Orta – Ayling, Berardi, Cooper, Jansson, Pearce

Midfield
Orta - Alioski, Baker (hmm), Forshaw, Klich, Ideguchi, Saiz
Pre-Orta Dallas, Hernandez, Murphy, O’Kane, Phillips, Sacko, Viera

Strikers
Orta - Ekuban, Roberts, Edmonson
Pre-Orta – Antonsson, Roofe

And now my comment as to who I believe has shown promise (from those appointed by our etseemed DoF)

Defenders, none (unless Shaughnessy gets a chance and proves worthy)

Midfielders, Alisoki, Forshaw, Saiz (all as stated previously, giving Forshaw the benefit of the doubt)

Strikers, Roberts (maybe)

So, we have 4 of the Orta crop who might be good enough, and the rest are from previous recruitment campaigns. If Bielsa makes them into a team able to compete, my hat goes off to him.

Point being, 4-5 players from the crop of stuff that was foisted on us is hopeless odds.

No contradiction in what I have said, repeatedly, but if you maintain otherwise, thats your perogative.