Quote Originally Posted by upthemaggies View Post
UK Dr John Campbell, pro vaccine and pro safety measures, discussing the recent freedom of information revelation......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw

Basically the total UK deaths solely due to Covid 2019-to 3Q 2021 (not with or with other major health issues).
17,500

He's clearly very surprised how low that figure actually is.

Just under 30,000 died of Influenza-Pneumonia in the UK in 2018 and 26,000 in 2019.

I'm just very glad to be living in England and not a whole bunch of countries still suffering this mass derangement right now, but obviously concerned what might be coming next, not least inflation levels.
I like the guy in the video. He seems very reasonable and avoids hyperbole.

The statistic in question is clearly very interesting. I think we all already knew the general gist of what it illustrates (Covid is most dangerous for older people with pre-existing medical conditions) but to see it spelled out like that will rightly raise questions.

A few points I would like to make:

I don't know if the comparisons with previous flu seasons are accurate, as they too may contain deaths from flu+pre-existing conditions. It's also possible they don't, but it would be good to know before engaging in comparisons.

It would also be good to see the same stats (age/pre-existing medical conditions) for people who were hospitalised and hospitalised in intensive care, as I think this is a key point. I remember bringing this up in my debate with Jackal at the very start of the pandemic. Leaving aside the whole issue of media sensationalism, which I actually agree with, from a government's point of view, they have to evacuate the impact on hospitals, which then impacts on society in general, if there is no functioning emergency healthcare system.

In any case I am still quite sympathetic to the dilemma governments found themselves in, especially at the beginning of the pandemic when there were a lot of unknowns, but this statistic does raise some important questions and deserves more coverage than it is getting IMO.