Racial and Religious Hatred

[KerrAvon]

I would urge some people on here to consider their views that are made public . Much of what I have read over the last few weeks sails very close to the law, even within the free speech society that we have.

I am not an apologist for what has happened, but to cast an entire ethnic population as all the same is ermm...???

We don't really have a free speech society (we had 13 years of new laws from authoritarian New Labour to see to that) that's one of the reasons message boards tend to be hosted in the USA, which does.[/quote]The Labour governments did pass a significant amount of criminal legislation. One of the most significant pieces was the ***ual Offences Act 2003, which modernised and beefed up the law in that area and which, ironically, created the 'grooming' offence, which would have made it easier for the police to address some of the activities in Rotherham.

I can't think

[Ellis_D]

I don't think I'm ever gonna convert to liking the EDL, or any other such group. They dress up prejudice in jingoistic patriotism and claim all sorts of nonsense. Would they turn up en masse if the rapists were white? No is the answer, they are interested in only one thing and that's aggro - not the children of Rotherham.

I don't know the answer to that and I don't think I ever will.

The reason? We have never seen such numbers abused by a large scale grooming gang all over the country (report says girls weren't only raped in Rotherham but were taken to other places like Sheffield, Manchester and London), with the perpetrators being white.

This is the point, there are white *****philes who are just as sick, but this is a large number of Muslim males targeting a large number of white girls. I think the EDL are justified in marching against that.

[KerrAvon]

Don't worry ... Laws don't get applied in Rotherham in case it upsets anyone.

Fwiw I agree. To tar a religion or an ethnicity for the crimes of a few is stupid. I will however ask how many pakistanis have been grassed up by their own?

I don't know the answer but a good guess will be less than ten and probably less than one. I would grass up my closest family member if they committed these crimes.

What's a good guess, Heman. You give the factual position, which is that you don't know the answer and then make a 'good guess'.

A guess is a guess. You don't know if anyone of Pakistani heritage gave information, so why speculate?

[KerrAvon]

Take for example, the fact that Labour made it illegal for people in the police force to vote for the BNP.

No they didn't.

[KerrAvon]

I'm with Ellis_D on this.

The spraying around of 'racist' and 'nazi' in debates of this type is not helpful. It is, I would have thought, apparent to everyone that the fear of the racist word went well beyond being unhelpful in Rotherham council circles in that it stifled discussion and may well have contributed to inaction.

It's just about impossible to have any sort of rational debate about race and immigration in the UK without one side shouting racist and the other peddling myths, half-truths and lies.

Where I depart from the position of Ellis_D is that I don't think it is helpful for some posters to spray around 'apologist', 'moron' and 'thick'.

[KerrAvon]

All people have pointed out is that there has been 1400 (known) rapes of white female children perpetrated by a population of 4000 (ignoring the women) Pakistani origin men in Rotherham.

Please read the report, Empire. It doesn't say that there were 1400 known rapes, it doesn't say that all the victims were white, it doesn't say that all the offenders were of Pakistani heritage and it doesn't say that all the offenders were from Rotherham.

The report is damning and confirms that the majority of offenders were described as 'Asian' but it can't help anyone to create myths about what it has to say.

[Ellis_D]

Take for example, the fact that Labour made it illegal for people in the police force to vote for the BNP.

No they didn't.[/quote]

I'm sorry, was it the Tories before Labour came into power? Either way, both parties have been in government and not changed the stance, which is undemocratic.

Or are you picking up on the fact I used the term "illegal". If that is the case, then perhaps I was wrong. What I mean is any serving police officer can not be a member of(and therefore surely vote for) the BNP or they will be sacked. The same goes for the armed forces.

[Ellis_D]

I'm with Ellis_D on this.

The spraying around of 'racist' and 'nazi' in debates of this type is not helpful. It is, I would have thought, apparent to everyone that the fear of the racist word went well beyond being unhelpful in Rotherham council circles in that it stifled discussion and may well have contributed to inaction.

It's just about impossible to have any sort of rational debate about race and immigration in the UK without one side shouting racist and the other peddling myths, half-truths and lies.

Where I depart from the position of Ellis_D is that I don't think it is helpful for some posters to spray around 'apologist', 'moron' and 'thick'.

I would agree with that, but I only called someone a moron after being constantly hounded for the last few days and having been accused of racism several times. I admit calling is not helpful and is childish.

The thick comment I have to stand by, though. I said "get it in t

[EmpireStateOfMind]

That's splitting hairs - there are at least 1400 but probably 2000+ in reality.

The 'Asian' thing has been done to death, its become clear since then that these men were of Pakistani origin.

The report isn't the only source of data, these was the panorama programme and now its leaking out of everywhere.

[jolly_roger]

...and not just in Rotherham, basically every town that has an established pakistani community will have this problem, so the numbers will be an underestimate.

South Yorkshire police must be working overtime to get a successful prosecution of a white bloke, just to keep the lid on the issue and to deflect attention.