Alternative view of progress

[Rattea]

Actually I was hoping to get to the Rat. He loves his FACTS so he might just do all the sums to prove himself right! And keep him occupied for a bit.

I might just run the numbers myself for a few weeks to see how it looks, its fairly easy on a spreadsheet (I think/hope).

Does anyone know of a site where I can get old results and league tables?

Well firstly my hat off too you Findern someone who prepared to look at a different way and if that agrees or disagrees with what I say I'm very interest to see what you find and discuss it objectively!

Rare breed the board used to be full of open thinkers. And the of statto like Albertson.

On a note to others I take a lot of insults and abuse but don't do it to other posters, regardless of their opinions, if the want to express or even just potentially express something different from what we are told to think and say.

One word of caution I would have about systems like tennis rank

[Rattea]

Sounds like only half a job to me. What about injuries/suspensions for key players and bad referee decisions? Not to mention whether the sun was shining and what the players had for breakfast. If you try hard enough you get statistics to prove pretty much anything you want. As they say, there are lies, Damn lies and statistics.

Here's a stat for you. Unless we win more than three out of the next four games we won't have a higher points haul at the half way point than we did last year. The three wins will equal it.

Only a few weeks ago when our points at a random point were ahead of the same last year people were claiming that was a definate sign of progress. Should that measure not say what they want they will suddenly throw scorn on what they were hold and the truth when it suited them.

The point being that if you have a constant and consistent measure it may very were prove or disprove something but it gives you something

[FindernRam]

Thanks for the site info. Looks like it may be what I need. Thanks also for the comments.

It may prove nothing but I used to have a job where I had to look at stuff in unusual ways to get to solutions, now I'm retired I guess the old instincts still kick in now and again.

Get your point about Switzerland. I'm only looking at league games so each team will play the same.

The other comment made about injuries etc is a step too far. Something for "the lads in the studio" to discuss after I'm done. After all most of the fun is the debate

[Rattea]

That's interesting Findern it seems like we may have done things alone similar lines. It's interesting and does get in your blood. A bit too much some might argue

I put myself up there to be shot at and you provide an argument that shows different to mine I'm more than happy about that. I think the key is to have something consistent then it can be measured.

Your right about injurys and remember the red dogs had many last year so we're they better than us! A few years before we had loads and still beat them. It's also a bit like we lost 2 0 at home to an on off chelsea last year ... If we lose 2 0 to a run away chelsea this year is that improvement. All too subjective.

I'm really looking forward to seeing what you find

[Rapid]

Actually I was hoping to get to the Rat. He loves his FACTS so he might just do all the sums to prove himself right! And keep him occupied for a bit.

I might just run the numbers myself for a few weeks to see how it looks, its fairly easy on a spreadsheet (I think/hope).

Does anyone know of a site where I can get old results and league tables?

And the of statto like Albertson.

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what ever happened to that geezer? he was a good poster.

[Rattea]

Probably drowned or burnt at the stake for forward thinking and showing the FACTS

I think he disappeared two seasons ago before the meltdown by FM and it's servers!

Wonder if bloomer has his email address and see where he's gone?



Findern there is another poster on here that has an excellent grip on big data and looking at things different ways! Hoping he may expose himself at some point

[Rapid]

Probably drowned or burnt at the stake for forward thinking and showing the FACTS

I think he disappeared two seasons ago before the meltdown by FM and it's servers!

Wonder if bloomer has his email address and see where he's gone?



Findern there is another poster on here that has an excellent grip on big data and looking at things different ways! Hoping he may expose himself at some point

he's not one you sent to the grave then?

how does it go...

'who need's albertsono, we've got elliniho'.

[su4eranio]

Sounds like only half a job to me. What about injuries/suspensions for key players and bad referee decisions? Not to mention whether the sun was shining and what the players had for breakfast. If you try hard enough you get statistics to prove pretty much anything you want. As they say, there are lies, Damn lies and statistics.

Here's a stat for you. Unless we win more than three out of the next four games we won't have a higher points haul at the half way point than we did last year. The three wins will equal it.

Only a few weeks ago when our points at a random point were ahead of the same last year people were claiming that was a definate sign of progress. Should that measure not say what they want they will suddenly throw scorn on what they were hold and the truth when it suited them.

The point being that if you have a constant and consistent measure it may very were prove or di

[Rattea]

Two simple points here.

1. The question is have we progressed. For that you have to pick a starting point and compare it. The fact we are top now means nothing unless you compare it to a previous point or have a datum to measure against. So take this years point and where would be be at the same point last year. 4th same as last year!

Question here is if a couple of late goal hadn't gone in we could have been further down the table. Both out of our control so does that make us better or improved?


2. What happens if we don't win three of the next four games. Will you then be changing your mind and saying we haven't progressed?

[su4eranio]

Two simple points here.

1. The question is have we progressed. For that you have to pick a starting point and compare it. The fact we are top now means nothing unless you compare it to a previous point or have a datum to measure against. So take this years point and where would be be at the same point last year. 4th same as last year!

Question here is if a couple of late goal hadn't gone in we could have been further down the table. Both out of our control so does that make us better or improved?


2. What happens if we don't win three of the next four games. Will you then be changing your mind and saying we haven't progressed?

Ratts, on each of your points

1) I took a datum of final league position. Last season we ENDED the season 3rd. Better than any season since Billy took us up. So under Macca we have improved against fixed datum

2) If we dont finish Top 3 this season we have gone backwards. There is a case though to fini