Change of tactics required

[deek5trans]

I would like to see Fowler in the stands on a permanent basis.

[jardi]

Some interesting points on this thread as always.

I totally agree with Admin's suggestions of what happens in rugby. I also have a lot of sympathy with Kingfaethesooth's idea of a trusted lieutenant, - but with Mr. Fowler's record - would he listen? - probably not.

If Mr. Fowler has any real ambitions for QOS and for himself in management (in any capacity) then he could do a lot worse than pop up into the stand, keeping in contact with Gavin Skelton, Eddie Warwick and Jim Thomson and for that matter the BOD; - collate all the different views from the various experts at his disposal and then formulate a plan of how to move forward.

Modern weather forecasting computers gather millions of pieces of information before issuing a forecast, - gone are the days of looking at the sky and saying "it might rain." So for a manager stranded on the touchline, wondering what the hell might be going on, and with only his own thoughts to play with, - surely it makes complete sense to see t

[nithvalley]

Why don't you throw in a fans Focus Group while you're at it - though I suspect the match would be over before all the opinions could be heard and evaluated let alone any decision reached !

Too many people are over-reacting, to what I am not exactly sure, at present.

Jardi, the Manager is not isolated on the touchline as you very well know and I am sure, like me, you will have seen conversations taking place as they do throughout Football.

[jardi]

So Nith Valley, we stick with the status quo then?

All historical tacticians are idiots and rugby managers are fools to take a higher vantage point?

Equally, the best managers and entreprenuers in the world listened to no one? If you read Alan Sugar's autobiography or Richard Branson to just two, - you will discover that they listen to lots of people before making a tactical decision.

If Mr. Fowler was tactically brilliant and sitting comfortably in 4th position, there would be no debate, - given that he is not, - I would courteously request that he at least considers changing his tactics or at least looking at the game from a different vantage point.

However, I suspect that he will not bother, - he is an extremely stubborn man who believes that he knows best.

[deek5trans]

You don't need a vantage point to know you have all your goal scoring strikers on the bench and you are setting your team up to start a match defensively.

He's just not ready to manage at this level and we just have to accept it.

[nithvalley]

" he is an extremely stubborn man who believes that he knows best"

Perhaps he is not the only one !

A criticism that has probably been levelled at every Manager, by fans who think they know best, whose team are not performing to the level they think they should be.

Do you have inside knowledge to back up your stance on this ?

It appears to me that we follow the operating model of most other Clubs where there is a Management team who work together and communicate with each other and also view the game at pitch level.

Such is the lot of a Football Manager, and the fickle nature of fans - as you clearly point out - if we were comfortably in 4th spot then this issue would not be up for discussion.

If your assertion is true, then Mr. Fowler would certainly be in very good company as it perfectly describes Sir Alex Ferguson and, I would suggest, Bill Shankly and Jock Stein too !

Maybe, out of current adversity he will move on to bigger and better things in the future.

[doonumberland]

[quote="jardi"] Some interesting points on this thread as always.

I totally agree with Admin's suggestions of what happens in rugby. I also have a lot of sympathy with Kingfaethesooth's idea of a trusted lieutenant, - but with Mr. Fowler's record - would he listen? - probably not.

If Mr. Fowler has any real ambitions for QOS and for himself in management (in any capacity) then he could do a lot worse than pop up into the stand, keeping in contact with Gavin Skelton, Eddie Warwick and Jim Thomson and for that matter the BOD; - collate all the different views from the various experts at his disposal and then formulate a plan of how to move forward.

Modern weather forecasting computers gather millions of pieces of information before issuing a forecast, - gone are the days of looking at the sky and saying "it might rain." So for a manager stranded on the touchline, wondering what the hell might be going on, and with only his own thoughts to play with, -

[jardi]

To conclude gentlemen: "Managers in any job (stubborn or not) do not make decisions in isolation, - they consult, consider and then deliver."

Since Eddie is in charge of the under 20's squad, it would seem appropriate to at least consult with the man, as a second opinion is better than none at all.

However to even suggest that I "have lost the plot" is questionable at best, when you have quite clearly verbally abused Eddie, - and it is you sir who is "truly unbelievable" to stoop to making such remarks on the internet.

As another poster suggested I may also be stubborn when it comes to my beliefs, but I always listen to the other side of the coin, before deciding whether or not to continue being stubborn. To that end I believe that Mr. Fowler could be a much better manager if he consulted more with other people, 'experts' or not, - and he would 100% get a much better view of the tactical side of the game if he took advantage of sitting in the stand and communicating with

[doonumberland]

[quote="jardi"

Since Eddie is in charge of the under 20's squad, it would seem appropriate to at least consult with the man, as a second opinion is better than none at all.

However to even suggest that I "have lost the plot" is questionable at best, when you have quite clearly verbally abused Eddie, - and it is you sir who is "truly unbelievable" to stoop to making such remarks on the internet.

As another poster suggested I may also be stubborn when it comes to my beliefs, but I always listen to the other side of the coin, before deciding whether or not to continue being stubborn. To that end I believe that Mr. Fowler could be a much better manager if he consulted more with other people, 'experts' or not, - and he would 100% get a much better view of the tactical side of the game if he took advantage of sitt

[jardi]

Aye, she'd probably give him good advice.

The lassies in the old stand café could certainly tell him a few home truths!

Although the point you make is valid, it is only valid to the point that the gentleman in question did not kick a ball in anger, his experience in other fields is vast, and that knowledge can be brought to a football pitch or stadium, just like Leann Dempster has at Hibs and Anne Budge at Hearts.

Auld Doreen, God rest her soul, probably knew more about football and how to play it than most of today's vastly overpaid stars, - so in all honesty I would suggest that Mr. Fowler does ask the opinion of the tea lady, - along with as many others as possible! - and this is not a dig at Fowler, - it is simply that you can never, ever get enough knowledge on any subject.

Cheers!