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[Arundelred]

Old habits die hard ;-)

Sounds like you're trying wind down the debate.

[Arundelred]

Id like to book a wake up call. Somebody wake me up when this is over

Ask Afgoon to sound Reveille. He likes to blow his own trumpet.

[Acido]

Glad you all thought that was an amusing comment by me, tahh

[AnagRam]

Arundel, do you know how bitter and childish you sound? Have a read back.

Not trying to continue this but your argument that those who carry out orders are more culpable than those who give them is simply absurd.
There are invariably mitigating circumstances for those who follow orders.
To cite a football context, were the people who followed orders to open the gates at Hillsborough more responsible for what happened than the ones who gave the order? Of course not...they ultimately did the deed, others, with much more of an overview, gave the order and that is where ultimate responsibility lies.
Returning to your example of the Germans during WWII...the German army was made up of conscripts...to stand up to Hitler was to defy the Gestapo who would come knocking on the door for anyone who considered such defiance. In addition to that level of fear they were also confronted by all the propaganda of the Nazi party at a time when Hitler and the Nazis had created a situation where Ge

[lazaat]

Arundelred and Afghan you have both made your point so give it a rest and do us all a favour please?

[Arundelred]

[quote="AnagRam"]Arundel, do you know how bitter and childish you sound? Have a read back.

Not trying to continue this but your argument that those who carry out orders are more culpable than those who give them is simply absurd.
There are invariably mitigating circumstances for those who follow orders.
To cite a football context, were the people who followed orders to open the gates at Hillsborough more responsible for what happened than the ones who gave the order? Of course not...they ultimately did the deed, others, with much more of an overview, gave the order and that is where ultimate responsibility lies.
Returning to your example of the Germans during WWII...the German army was made up of conscripts...to stand up to Hitler was to defy the Gestapo who would come knocking on the door for anyone who considered such defiance. In addition to that level of fear they were also confronted by all the propaganda of the Nazi party at a time when Hitler and

[Arundelred]

Arundelred and Afghan you have both made your point so give it a rest and do us all a favour please?

Sorry, I typed another at the same time as you did yours, I just hope that Tomorrow has not been cancelled due lack of interest.

[AnagRam]

Arundel...what I'd have done and what I might like to think I'd have done are two very different things. Maybe you are made of much 'sterner stuff' or perhaps just delusional as regards how brave you'd have been in the face of the Nazi 'machine'.
Your complete inability to ever accept you might not be entirely right and your attitude to Afghan, who I may not often agree with but at least respect as knowing rather more about recent conflicts than I do, is anything but 'Gandhi-esque'. I honestly see little point in carrying this further. Debating with you is an excercise in futility and your insistence on calling and taking cheap shots at Afghan has just become tedious in the extreme.

Besides, Acido wants a laugh...I'd have thought he had plenty of those watching Barnsley ;-)...but...well let's just move on.

[Arundelred]

Arundel...what I'd have done and what I might like to think I'd have done are two very different things. Maybe you are made of much 'sterner stuff' or perhaps just delusional as regards how brave you'd have been in the face of the Nazi 'machine'.
Your complete inability to ever accept you might not be entirely right and your attitude to Afghan, who I may not often agree with but at least respect as knowing rather more about recent conflicts than I do, is anything but 'Gandhi-esque'. I honestly see little point in carrying this further. Debating with you is an excercise in futility and your insistence on calling and taking cheap shots at Afghan has just become tedious in the extreme.

Besides, Acido wants a laugh...I'd have thought he had plenty of those watching Barnsley ;-)...but...well let's just move on.

I would dearly love to respond to all that crap you have just said, but Lazaart has called time on this thread. Being

[roger_ramjet]

Arundel - I dont think time has been called on this thread but rather your involvement in it. I could carry on the original topic but its actually rather tedious as subjects go. It might be fun though seeing ascyour hands are tied!