O/T EU Vote In/Out

[Buc]

How many have you taken in?

Glad you asked I'm in the process if you want to know more give me a call or even email me [email protected]

[NEM83]

Glad you asked I'm in the process if you want to know more give me a call or even email me [email protected]

[Barnared]

But thats the point Barnared. The EU looked the other way when the books didn't balance and let Greece in anyway. They also did the same for Spain and Italy. All for the political cause of the EU and at the expense of its citizens. And by citizens I mean all member states including us. Who's to say that the EU won't at some point in the future do it to us?

The main problem with the EU is it's a Political Union without any monetory or financial unity. Just look at the zones that have the Euro and then you have those that don't. All working to different rules while trying to pretend that the are actually all behaving within a set of rules that nobody actually knows exist. For example debt to GDP ratio.

I'm not sticking up for the virtues of the EU or anything like that, if that's what you think !? Simply giving my opinion that Greece itself and it's complete mismanagement and cooking of books from the start was as much to blame for its mess as the rest of the EU that allowed them in.

I don't accept for a minute that "the same can be said for Italy and Spain" as each country had seperate, different and also historic problems. What linked them and caused the domino effect was largely down to their massive debts being held in each others banking structures. There is no such clamour in Spain or Italy to leave the EU or the Eurozone, indeed from what I gather, in Spain there seems to be a recognition that their own problems caused by the housing and construction boom and corruption in the banking and lending sector would have been much worse had they not been able to receive the bailout. No phuker there wants to go back to the peseta, no phuker. I'm pretty confident that Italians don't want the lira back. Both countries would simply be happy if they could finally put and end to corruption.

I can say with complete certainty that what happened in Spain 6/7 years ago would have happened regardless of euro or peseta. Everyone there knows that. It is how the country is run and always has been. It will happen again and will continue to. Ireland might not be too quick to follow their model in future though. Italy will always be as corrupt as hell also. Oh and we will always have an island mentality too, can't see that changing either.

@getintaethem, your post is good and I agree broadly with what you are saying. I don't get how any of it suggests that what I am saying is wrong though.

[Buc]

This has more than likely been posted before worth another look though .



https://conversation.which.co.uk/mon...parison-serps/

[Rochead]

You should have opened the link then Rochead ..

Its all about opinions and for me its hard for me just this once not to disagree with him.

OK Buc, I gave in and opened the link, nothing to disagree with there, I think we all know that many though not all are hard working people, just like any other section of society. I believe the argument is about the open door policy. As it stands anyone from the EU is entitled to enter and stay, no restrictions, this must add greatly to the burden on councils and the NHS etc. I have no problem in allowing immigrants in who can bring added and needed skills but it must be controlled. That forms part off my reason for voting leave, having the ability to trade with any market and making our own decisions are the main reasons.
Of course it is about opinions, this forum gives us the opportunity to exchange them. 😊

[Rochead]

Rochead... couple of videos just for you...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9_EhmfxHys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulkh10sSmVE

Thanks, I enjoyed them. The first one in particular sums it up nicely.

[Buc]

Thanks for opening up that link Rochead .

[Buc]

Found this interesting



http://www.lbc.co.uk/11-would-vote-r...joining-132570

[DirkDonDiggler]

Out for me. When have the big corporations and the banking system funding the remain campaign, to me the warning signs are there. I suggest the people on the fence look up Daniel Hannan and listen to his talks.

https://www.facebook.com/danielhanna...3437832957331/

[elginred]

Hard to argue with some of the Leave arguments on here.Am mostly out at this stage,mainly for democratic reasons,Cameron and Co have only given economic arguments.
Still open to persuasion though.On one hand am thinking our leaving may trigger the break up of the EU,and possible security issues,but on the other it may be help address the complacency/unaccountabilty of your Mandelsons and fellow Eurocrats