If there is a second EU referendum

[swaledale]

Those in favour of Remain have by and large expressed distaste for the EU as an institution whilst recognising that on balance the UK was better off as a full member with a voice and a veto - I note you have avoided answering what the ****ing point of voting leave was if we essentially are stuck with the issues which those who voted leave thought they were getting.

Well in a parliamentary democracy you vote Politicians to run the country, so if a party ran an election campaign on a leave the EU ticket and got elected then yes I'd accept that.

what I can't accept is the likelyhood that the 4% and majority was achieved by lies and falsehoods, people I know say they voted leave as they thought £350 million would go to the NHS, aint going to happen and anyway the £350 million is false and proven to be so and admitted now by the Leave side.

Others thought that immigration would stop, no say those on the Leave side who just days ago were saying that a vote for leave would cut immigration!

[AngryRam]

Those in favour of Remain have by and large expressed distaste for the EU as an institution whilst recognising that on balance the UK was better off as a full member with a voice and a veto - I note you have avoided answering what the ****ing point of voting leave was if we essentially are stuck with the issues which those who voted leave thought they were getting.

Well in a parliamentary democracy you vote Politicians to run the country, so if a party ran an election campaign on a leave the EU ticket and got elected then yes I'd accept that.

what I can't accept is the likelyhood that the 4% and majority was achieved by lies and falsehoods, people I know say they voted leave as they thought £350 million would go to the NHS, aint going to happen and anyway the £350 million is false and proven to be so and admitted now by the Leave side.

Others thought that immigration would stop, no say those on the Leave side who just days ago were saying that a vote for leave would cut immigration!

Okay I will answer the question. You don't know what the deal will be going forward.. Are you telling us lies?
I accept people would have been misguided in their perception of staying and visa versa leaving.
The close vote is the biggest problem, now that is a problem going forward.

My biggest reason for wanting to leave was that I don't like what Europe is becoming.. What will it be like in 30 years? What legacy would we be leaving our children? The answer is nobody is sure either way..
If you write down positives and negatives on either side both lists would be quite long.. For me the list to leave was slightly bigger than the remain one. It was a hugely complex question and as I said before, I know where Anag is coming from.. But you've already told us our politicians have lied to us and now you say you want them to be able to make massive decisions without a mandate from the people?

[swaledale]

I am merely outlining what most informed people are saying is the likely outcome, why? because those who actually influence how the country is run, the establishment, the elite, global business will ensure that the deal is in their interests, which is access to the single market and free movement of labour, but feel free to come back and point out I was wrong.

No i said if in a general election a party which made leaving the EU if elected as their policy and they were elected then they would have a mandate!

Politicians have always made massive decisions without having a referendum everytime, wars, spending decisions, laws etc. Thats how it is in a democracy, some they get right some they get wrong thats what happens, not perfect, neither was europe but better than the alternative surely?

[macstheman]

Whilst I was a remain I have to agree about concerns over how the EU has evolved since the Common Market was created. It's rather like a rolling snowball that keeps growing uncontrollably until at the bottom of the hill it will hit something with unknown consequences. The thought of Turkey joining positively terrifies me, apart from the internal instability it's already coping with the effect upon radical Muslims across the Middle East is a further unknown in an already unstable relationship with the west. Unfortunately, the same feathering of your own nest that applies to our politicians applies (without apparent accountability) to the powers that be in Brussels and that should worry us all!! I don't recall being given a say on who joins this Union that I am supposed to be an enthusiastic supporter of!! Indeed, I don't recall any prospective EU candidate mentioning that during MEP elections. As for a Euro Army God help us!

A supporter yes but enthusiastic based solely on the economic benefits to this country definitely not. Dr Frankinstein sought progress but created a monster!!

[Gaspode]

My biggest reason for wanting to leave was that I don't like what Europe is becoming.. What will it be like in 30 years? What legacy would we be leaving our children? The answer is nobody is sure either way..

Not sure if you saw Obama's quote the other day "The best way to think about this is, a pause button has been pressed on the project of full European integration" - a quote that wasn't widely reported in the mainstream media (or at least not given the prominence it probably deserved)

While a lot of folk recognised that the 'big plan' is (and has always been) full integration, it's one of those things that almost remained unsaid by the UK & EU rulers (for fear of spooking the people even further?). Ignoring all of the hysteria since the vote, I wonder how many of those folk who voted to remain stating (as Corbyn did) that they wanted to stay in a "Reformed EU" would have voted leave if this had been central to the debate rather than both sides effectively grabbing one big issue each and almost ignoring everything else that was at stake?......

[AngryRam]

Not sure if you saw Obama's quote the other day "The best way to think about this is, a pause button has been pressed on the project of full European integration" - a quote that wasn't widely reported in the mainstream media (or at least not given the prominence it probably deserved)

While a lot of folk recognised that the 'big plan' is (and has always been) full integration, it's one of those things that almost remained unsaid by the UK & EU rulers (for fear of spooking the people even further?). Ignoring all of the hysteria since the vote, I wonder how many of those folk who voted to remain stating (as Corbyn did) that they wanted to stay in a "Reformed EU" would have voted leave if this had been central to the debate rather than both sides effectively grabbing one big issue each and almost ignoring everything else that was at stake?......

Full integration just fills me with dread...
As I Said before.. Yugoslavia anyone?

[macstheman]

As has been said, it's always been about integration! Though it was hardly mentioned during the referendum the EU is only about integration why call it the European UNION!! The Common Market is about what it says MARKET - no mention of political union or any other type of union. We call the UK the Union of states, union being total. The Scots want to be independent of the 'union' but remain part of another 'union' which has designs on being similar to the existing 'union' they are already in. Don't anyone be fooled our UK is the type of 'union' envisaged by Germany and France and the bloated beaurocrats that inevitably congregate where nests can be feathered. It's like the beehive community - the Queen dishes out her instructions and the rest of the hive obey (even with their lives). Now the single market is excellent but it must be weighed against the other aims of the 'union'. I, personally opted for remain having considered this but fully understand why 'what you get with the single market' led to some voting out. Strangely, I know of some who voted likewise to me but are almost relieved that we voted out because of the way the EU (not the Single Market) is going!!