If there is a second EU referendum

[ramAnag]

RP
1. Where have I suggested you are 'narrow minded' and lacking in tolerance and understanding? I undoubtedly think that about Farage, I have never said that about you.
2. I share some of the concerns you raise about Europe but believe in change from within rather than isolationism.
3. Is it not perfectly reasonable to adopt a stance of saying, 'I don't know enough to vote' and isn't that a reason for any two option referendum having to achieve a majority of at least 51% of the electorate in order to 'win' if it is to be described as 'democratic'?
4. My question...and, indirectly, the OP's question was...did you vote 'Leave' expecting to see the value of the pound fall dramatically, the economy suddenly become surrounded by enormous uncertainty and a rise in 'hate crime' which we should, as a nation, be thoroughly ashamed of. I suspect not because you usually seem like a pleasant and sensible poster, but that sure as hell is what you've got.

[ramspride]

RP
1. Where have I suggested you are 'narrow minded' and lacking in tolerance and understanding? I undoubtedly think that about Farage, I have never said that about you.
2. I share some of the concerns you raise about Europe but believe in change from within rather than isolationism.
3. Is it not perfectly reasonable to adopt a stance of saying, 'I don't know enough to vote' and isn't that a reason for any two option referendum having to achieve a majority of at least 51% of the electorate in order to 'win' if it is to be described as 'democratic'?
4. My question...and, indirectly, the OP's question was...did you vote 'Leave' expecting to see the value of the pound fall dramatically, the economy suddenly become surrounded by enormous uncertainty and a rise in 'hate crime' which we should, as a nation, be thoroughly ashamed of. I suspect not because you usually seem like a pleasant and sensible poster, but that sure as hell is what you've got.

Unfortunately we have had very little success in changing things from within the EU my understanding is that currently we have been unable to change anything. This is probably due to the majority of the EU countries looking after themselves. If you look at the ridicules system of moving from Brussels to Strasbourg every month at a cost of millions each year, a system which most of the MEPs agree is stupid, that cannot be changed because France veto’s it. I wonder if it could be because Strasbourg is in France. In any election/referendum not knowing enough about something has not stopped people in the past. In general elections many people vote labour because they always vote labour. Many vote Conservative for the same reason. I personally have voted both and even Lib/Dem but I do listen to what their policies are and vote for who I believe will be best for the country and in the end best for me and my family. I am told, by the way that if the referendum had been voted on in the same system of voting for Mps, first past the post (FPTP) leave would have walked it.

When I decided to vote leave yes I did expect the £ to fall and the stock market to enter a period of uncertainty, anyone who thought otherwise didn't understand the currency market or the stock market. But the stock market has recovered dramatically, albeit because of the Bank of England’s statement and Osborne saying he will not announce a BREXIT budget but I will be very surprised if when Article 50 is fully implemented this country within a very short length of time will be far better off both financially and as a country.

As regards to hate crime I also expected a rise in this because you will always get some idiots being like that but I also think the media go out looking for this and maybe in some cases encouraging it to get a story.

Finally ramAnag We are obviously never going to agree on this subject and I respect your opinion the same as I do respect anyone’s opinion, its a free world as the saying goes. The one thing I hope that we both agree is in our support for the Rams and I'm sure we are both looking forward to a successful season. After all us Rams Fans must all be friends even though we do not all have the same beliefs.

[ramAnag]

Unfortunately we have had very little success in changing things from within the EU my understanding is that currently we have been unable to change anything. This is probably due to the majority of the EU countries looking after themselves. If you look at the ridicules system of moving from Brussels to Strasbourg every month at a cost of millions each year, a system which most of the MEPs agree is stupid, that cannot be changed because France veto’s it. I wonder if it could be because Strasbourg is in France. In any election/referendum not knowing enough about something has not stopped people in the past. In general elections many people vote labour because they always vote labour. Many vote Conservative for the same reason. I personally have voted both and even Lib/Dem but I do listen to what their policies are and vote for who I believe will be best for the country and in the end best for me and my family. I am told, by the way that if the referendum had been voted on in the same system of voting for Mps, first past the post (FPTP) leave would have walked it.

When I decided to vote leave yes I did expect the £ to fall and the stock market to enter a period of uncertainty, anyone who thought otherwise didn't understand the currency market or the stock market. But the stock market has recovered dramatically, albeit because of the Bank of England’s statement and Osborne saying he will not announce a BREXIT budget but I will be very surprised if when Article 50 is fully implemented this country within a very short length of time will be far better off both financially and as a country.

As regards to hate crime I also expected a rise in this because you will always get some idiots being like that but I also think the media go out looking for this and maybe in some cases encouraging it to get a story.

Finally ramAnag We are obviously never going to agree on this subject and I respect your opinion the same as I do respect anyone’s opinion, its a free world as the saying goes. The one thing I hope that we both agree is in our support for the Rams and I'm sure we are both looking forward to a successful season. After all us Rams Fans must all be friends even though we do not all have the same beliefs.

Fair enough rp...as you say we obviously differ. Think we've at least both thought about it even if we have come to different conclusions.
I'll fall out forever with the racists and bigots but I don't believe you're one of them. Can't abide Farage, or Johnson and Gove with their idiotic public school japes but, in our own different way, you and I are both moderates, albeit at different ends of the political spectrum, so as you say, let's not fall out.

Roger does have a point though