OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[southernram22]

certainly sounds like your a sore loser swale my opinion

[southernram22]

so lets put this in perspective you give the electorate the vote by your own choice you lose poll then cry foul and want a rerun . so anther vote is done and you win by a small margin then the exit side say we want a rerun. ? it sounds like that swale if i am not mistaken so your answer is tell the 17 million they are all stupid and we dont like it and were going to ignore your views anyway . i will come back to you on this when strikes and riots take place swale. like it or leave it were out.

[ramAnag]

Or in another perspective southern. A referendum is announced, which no one asked for, over our continued membership of the EU. The debate gets 'hijacked' by people who want to make a protest vote against immigration and are misled by a great big false promise which appears all over our TV's each day meaning that 17.5m of our 43m electorate vote 'Leave'. On the basis of this the value of the pound slumps, the BoE has to step in, Scotland and Northern Ireland threaten to leave the UK, we become European outcasts, hate crime, which has already accounted for the murder of a pro-Remain MP, rises, the PM resigns, the opposition turns on itself, the leading 'Leave' campaigner quits - after making a particularly embarrassing speech, and the two other principle campaigners fall our and seek to end each other's political careers. Sounds a bit like anarchy already to me and I'd still like to know what the 'beloved home land' that you suggest I move to means.

[AngryRam]

No one ask for?

[swaledale]

The BoE statements today don't look good time to batten down the hatches, the next decade is going to be rough.

I see Research projects with Uk universities are being axed by the Eu as the long term future is uncertain. So another blow to both Uk as premier research country, but also to the income earned both through the University sector and industry, opportunities that will now migrate to an Eu country - the ramifications of Brexit have yet to be fully realised, whilst those fabled opportunities seem to be sparse!

[ramAnag]

No one ask for?

Yeah okay...take your point...Farage, IDS and a few other right wing Tories asked for. Hardly a national clamour.

[Andy_Faber]

The debate gets 'hijacked' by people who want to make a protest vote against immigration

I think that's a massive generalisation - lots of thoughtful non racist folk (like me, although I actually voted remain) had/have genuine concerns about immigration, and most concerns are waaaay more nuanced than the old 'no darkies' mantra from the (real) bad old days.

[swaledale]

certainly sounds like your a sore loser swale my opinion

On the contrary on a personal basis being in or out of the Eu will not impact on me greatly, I may even benefit financially I,m just incredulous as to the reasons being given for Leaving, the shambles thats arisen since the Brexit vote, the rapid distancing from claims made - the £350 million (Farage) reducing immigration (Johnson and others) - lack of any coherent plans by those promoting Brexit and the rapid exit stage right by Johnson and Farage - isn't it easy to be enthusiastic about changing things UNTIL you have to then do something about it?

Strikes me that most who voted for leave on here take the view that in some miraculous way everything will sort it self out. of course life will go on - the question is will those who voted leave actually benefit?

[roger_ramjet]

I suspect the majority of the Leave leaders didnt actually expect to win and so had no plans going forward beyond the "we fought a good fight" speech. Now, put on the spot, Johnson bails out, Farage was never in a position to influence post decision and Gove doesnt look electable. Hence the current political vacuum - theory is easy in isolation; praxis not so when an unexpected event occurs

[ramAnag]

I think that's a massive generalisation - lots of thoughtful non racist folk (like me, although I actually voted remain) had/have genuine concerns about immigration, and most concerns are waaaay more nuanced than the old 'no darkies' mantra from the (real) bad old days.

Think you misunderstand me Andy. I'm not, and never have, suggested that having concerns about immigration means someone is necessarily racist. Concerns about immigration may be genuine and the fact is that subsequent demands on 'poorer' areas of the country, where services are often overloaded has been treated with complacency by the liberal middle class left for too long imo.
I do not doubt that this is a problem which needs addressing, albeit sensibly and compassionately, however it should not, again imo, have taken over the whole EU debate.
Immigration is just one issue but SOME 'Leave' campaigners, who probably do have racist intentions, successfully turned it into the single most important central issue whereas membership of the EU and our role within Europe was about a whole raft of other issues as well.
SOME of those, including Farage, sought to play on people's paranoia about immigration - even to the extent of his ridiculously offensive and irrelevant poster of refugees - and compounded that with the big red bus lie which cunningly appeared on everyone's TV's every night. Both of those things were, to me, unacceptable and unforgivable.