OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Trickytreesreds]

Strange jokes about bankers being run over Tricky? You mean...

'What's the difference between a dead cat on the road and a dead banker on the road?'
'There were skid marks near the cat!'

Can't hold that against him, that was funny in the context of the time wasn't it?

Sorry ram, the mans a cock and so full of himself. I observed him on many a debate., He doesn't like other peoples opinions and it costs him
The Royal Mail sell off is a classic example of this buffoons inadequacies,
He never apologised or admitted he got it wrong either. Maybe he got a slice?

[swaledale]

And there is the Remain campaign's problem in one sentence. "You're stupid, now we're doomed". Why can't you respect that others have made a decision that differs from yours without resorting to calling them misguided?

It isn't remains problem in a sentence its an accurate observation of the sample of people who voted Brexit who clearly did not have a ****ing clue why they voted that way and how it would benefit them! Not one could come up with a coherent reason for the way they voted and the reality is that not one of them will see their lives change for the better because of how they voted - thats why i call them misguided debate has been reasonable, in truth there are millions out there who voted Brexit due to belieing the lies about millions going to the NHS or that those eastern europeans who somehow stole their jobs are going to be disappearing anytime soon!

I respect peoples decision when it been made with at least half an idea as to why they made it, when they clearly don't what is there to respect?

[AdiSalisbury]

It isn't remains problem in a sentence its an accurate observation of the sample of people who voted Brexit who clearly did not have a ****ing clue why they voted that way and how it would benefit them! Not one could come up with a coherent reason for the way they voted and the reality is that not one of them will see their lives change for the better because of how they voted - thats why i call them misguided debate has been reasonable, in truth there are millions out there who voted Brexit due to belieing the lies about millions going to the NHS or that those eastern europeans who somehow stole their jobs are going to be disappearing anytime soon!

I respect peoples decision when it been made with at least half an idea as to why they made it, when they clearly don't what is there to respect?

Your response is arrogant and ignorant beyond belief. The only person listening to the lies, to support your own misguided feeling of superiority, is you.

There are people from both sides of the vote on this thread, putting forward thought out arguments, but respecting each others position. You are so closed minded you can't hear anything but what you want to hear, with no consideration of anything beyond you're opinion.

But perhaps, you are in the know, as you so often make yourself out to be?

You, are exactly what you, are describing.

[roger_ramjet]

Wheres the like button gone @Adi

[Gaspode]

Wheres the like button gone @Adi

+1

[AngryRam]

+2

[ramAnag]

Tbf, I don't suppose for a minute that Swale is suggesting that all Brexiteers are ignorant of the situation but is it not the case that a 'proportion' voted with little or no understanding? Those who voted believing the '£350m lie', those who voted because they were influenced by Farage's irrelevant racist poster, those who voted prior to seeing it as an excuse to abuse 'foreigners' and those who voted believing that leaving the EU would magically end immigration and make them all better off are gullible at best and probably ignorant and prejudiced at worst. There are, as Adi suggests, 'people on both sides putting forward thought out arguments' but, as Swale also says, when voters appear clueless or prejudiced there isn't much left to respect.

[macstheman]

Yes, but that applies to both the Brexiters and the remains. 2 of my family, who I love very much, voted like me to remain but admitted that their reason was that they've only known being in the E U and don't really understand what the other option was!! Now, I am sure that many remains never looked deeply into how Brexit would (or would not) work but merely voted for the status quo 'per se'. So, I would suggest that a significant number voted either way without a great deal of deep knowledge of the pros and cons. Let's face it at a General Election huge numbers vote for a party saying 'I always vote that way because blah blah'. It's just the way it is!! Democracy in Action!!

[AngryRam]

Tbf, I don't suppose for a minute that Swale is suggesting that all Brexiteers are ignorant of the situation but is it not the case that a 'proportion' voted with little or no understanding? Those who voted believing the '£350m lie', those who voted because they were influenced by Farage's irrelevant racist poster, those who voted prior to seeing it as an excuse to abuse 'foreigners' and those who voted believing that leaving the EU would magically end immigration and make them all better off are gullible at best and probably ignorant and prejudiced at worst. There are, as Adi suggests, 'people on both sides putting forward thought out arguments' but, as Swale also says, when voters appear clueless or prejudiced there isn't much left to respect.

You are correct.. I did not initially respond to Swaleys post as it angered me to a degree.. His post is maybe not read as it was intended but there is no doubt that he infers some people who voted to leave are think and remainers have the moral high ground. What about the people who voted to stay without understanding what the hell was going on. There is a general feeling that is gernerated by the remainers that they are superior in some way and Swaley just loaded the gun again. Adi was correct in his response imo.

[ramAnag]

Not having 'deep knowledge' is understandable and forgiveable mac, and, as you say, is probably the case at most General Elections. It is also, imo, a reason why the whole concept of having a referendum, on all but the simplest of issues, is so deeply flawed.
Voting when the prime motivation is prejudice or when the voter displays an alarming level of ignorance is not so forgiveable. Personally I accept - as I'm sure Swale does - that there are two sides to the argument and that it is unlikely that all 'Remainers' displayed a 'deep knowledge'...I do doubt however that any 'Remainers' were motivated by 'racism' and 'prejudice'. To return to the pre-referendum line...there is no suggestion that all Brexiteers are racist, but there can be little doubt that all racists will be Brexiteers. Events prior to and since the referendum have done little to dispel that theory imo.