OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[swaledale]

yeah your right Rog, commodities broker, mostly steel it seems another one creaming it off the top!

Do you live in the South east region then Triky seeing as you voted for farage? Mind you IF you did actually vote for the **** then all hope is gone!

Ah so a Soviet Leader expresses an opinion and thats a FACT? Mm bit like May claiming her government will work for the poor the disenfranchised and not the rich and powerful! She said it, it will be quoted in history but is it a fact?

OK go on then Tricky how is the EU like the Soviet Union was? How exactly is it similar to a federation of states that are ruled by a dictator?

Also do you think that the Eu represents a stronger buffer against Russia or not? And if the Russians thinks its a mistake, why are they frightened of its influence?

Political union always was the point, the view being that this would prevent what happened before - the debate is the extent of that union...oh no we are going to pull out, so I guess thats us left out of the debate then, mm sounds sensible to me.


By the way if you take the time to READ the BBC piece on aid to the Steel industry, you will see that a simplistic EU rules prevented the government helping out the steel industry is not the whole truth. But the lik many onthe brexit side, lets just pick the bits that suit our argument and ignore the rest!!!

I'm perfectly chilled and having a laugh at you holding Farage up as THE MAN!!

BTW sod off back yo your own board if you don't like the debate!

[southernram22]

while i agree that the truth never comes out from either side the new prime minister seems to have grasped the situation and started to move forwards with her appointments etc . ie removing dead wood. oppurtunic politicians sturgeon and mcguiness are just that. what the country needs now is to move forwards whichever way you voted . its done will not be reversed in near future ?

[Trickytreesreds]

yeah your right Rog, commodities broker, mostly steel it seems another one creaming it off the top!

Do you live in the South east region then Triky seeing as you voted for farage? Mind you IF you did actually vote for the **** then all hope is gone!

Ah so a Soviet Leader expresses an opinion and thats a FACT? Mm bit like May claiming her government will work for the poor the disenfranchised and not the rich and powerful! She said it, it will be quoted in history but is it a fact?

OK go on then Tricky how is the EU like the Soviet Union was? How exactly is it similar to a federation of states that are ruled by a dictator?

Also do you think that the Eu represents a stronger buffer against Russia or not? And if the Russians thinks its a mistake, why are they frightened of its influence?

Political union always was the point, the view being that this would prevent what happened before - the debate is the extent of that union...oh no we are going to pull out, so I guess thats us left out of the debate then, mm sounds sensible to me.


By the way if you take the time to READ the BBC piece on aid to the Steel industry, you will see that a simplistic EU rules prevented the government helping out the steel industry is not the whole truth. But the lik many onthe brexit side, lets just pick the bits that suit our argument and ignore the rest!!!

I'm perfectly chilled and having a laugh at you holding Farage up as THE MAN!!

BTW sod off back yo your own board if you don't like the debate!

1. nope why would you think I came from the south east? Do you live in Brussels?
2. the soviet leader gave his opinion, whilst leading the break up of the USSR and it's failings.
It's puzzling that the far left hated the EU now embrace it.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/04...uroscepticism/
The comparison with the soviet union, is a amalgamation of countries under one rule/law/system/economics/army. Its comparity to the politburo has validity in its self appointed leaders and part hymn sheet. Even you aint that dense.
3. The EU is not a buffer, it goes out of its way to provoke Russia with it's policies and attempts to swallow up all the old iron curtain country's. The Ukraine being the latest, even with its population of Russians. If any is going to kick something off, it's the EU. One army will only provoke this further. Exactly what is wrong with NATO anyway? Its worked for 70 years without these muppets wanting control.
4. I did read the piece. The governement did nothing because the grey areas said they couldn't. The loss of 35 000 jobs not considered sever enough.
5. Laugh at me all you like, Farage achieved what he said he'd do, you idiot failed and lost his job.
6. Don't tell me what to do deary. Your pathetic hissy fits aren't even debate. You refuse to give an inch even in defeat. What next, Kamikaze attacks in desperation.
It's you thats making us laugh. Enough of your own have tried telling you that.

Here's a nice song for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moSFlvxnbgk

[swaledale]

1. nope why would you think I came from the south east? Do you live in Brussels?
2. the soviet leader gave his opinion, whilst leading the break up of the USSR and it's failings.
It's puzzling that the far left hated the EU now embrace it.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/04...uroscepticism/
The comparison with the soviet union, is a amalgamation of countries under one rule/law/system/economics/army. Its comparity to the politburo has validity in its self appointed leaders and part hymn sheet. Even you aint that dense.
3. The EU is not a buffer, it goes out of its way to provoke Russia with it's policies and attempts to swallow up all the old iron curtain country's. The Ukraine being the latest, even with its population of Russians. If any is going to kick something off, it's the EU. One army will only provoke this further. Exactly what is wrong with NATO anyway? Its worked for 70 years without these muppets wanting control.
4. I did read the piece. The governement did nothing because the grey areas said they couldn't. The loss of 35 000 jobs not considered sever enough.
5. Laugh at me all you like, Farage achieved what he said he'd do, you idiot failed and lost his job.
6. Don't tell me what to do deary. Your pathetic hissy fits aren't even debate. You refuse to give an inch even in defeat. What next, Kamikaze attacks in desperation.
It's you thats making us laugh. Enough of your own have tried telling you that.

Here's a nice song for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moSFlvxnbgk

Oh dear, you do like to play fast and loose with the facts don't you?

1. You said you voted for Farage as MEP obviously you didnt still whats a stretching of the facts eh?
2. The far left???? Not sure cameron is far left but then your understanding of politics is a little sketchy, Corbyn is lefter than most and ws clearly luke warm about the Eu whilst recognising that there were good things as well as bad things about it, but then aint that the case with all human endeavours?
3. Of course the EU welcomed the former eastern block countries into its fold, they were way behind in development thanks to the Soviet Union - I think history will suggest that they have done rather better under the EU - funny that having got free of the Soviet Union they were so keen to join seeing as you think its so similar!!
4. The government did nothing??? Not strictly true or why is the deal for supporting the steel industry now potentially threatened by Brexit? The Tories were ****ting themselves over the impact of losing the industry and there as the article says exceptions for certain categories, which is why the government had put a deal together - in any case funny how germany, France and other countries manage to do things which time and time again our government says cannot be done because of EU rules - maybe its a convenient scapegoat??
5. How is Cameron my idiot? As I said before I don't support the guy and history will show that he made a massive error of judgement. Not sure Farage did anything, Cameron didn't need to call a referendum, but the smug so and so thought he would win. All Farage has done is tell a pack of lies and persuaded some dumb ass people (which clearly includes you) to vote for Brexit, other clearly had reasons other than the codswallop farage was spewing. But if your proud to be associted with the guy thats entirely up to you.
6. I was merely replying to you telling me to get off this Forum - as for hissy fits, where? I am literally pissing myself laughing at how you and your very tenuous grip on the facts dumber and dumber springs to mind!

[ramAnag]

Tricky, you're an intelligent contributor on occasions but, you've got one quote from Gorbachev that you rely on all the time and to accuse Swale of 'arrogance' only to then tell him to 'leave' because he doesn't agree with you and the 37% - not, and nothing like, half the country, - is pure bollux don't you think?
I happen to be in Germany at the moment. I've apologised three times today for the perceived attitude of my countrymen, something that I'm actually embarrassed by, but guess what...the Germans are still being pleasant and 'cool' about it all and still carry a stereotype about the English being regarded as 'polite and tolerant', if a little mad where Brexit is concerned. 'We shall see what happens' seems as far as they go. Imagine they've never met the likes of 'non electable Nigel' or they'd begin to think differently...as for us non-Brexiteers being repeatedly told to leave...if that's actually what you think we really do have a problem and perhaps you'd do well to remember that, even with the 'protest vote' factor, 37% is still a minority.

[AngryRam]

Tricky, you're an intelligent contributor on occasions but, you've got one quote from Gorbachev that you rely on all the time and to accuse Swale of 'arrogance' only to then tell him to 'leave' because he doesn't agree with you and the 37% - not, and nothing like, half the country, - is pure bollux don't you think?
I happen to be in Germany at the moment. I've apologised three times today for the perceived attitude of my countrymen, something that I'm actually embarrassed by, but guess what...the Germans are still being pleasant and 'cool' about it all and still carry a stereotype about the English being regarded as 'polite and tolerant', if a little mad where Brexit is concerned. 'We shall see what happens' seems as far as they go. Imagine they've never met the likes of 'non electable Nigel' or they'd begin to think differently...as for us non-Brexiteers being repeatedly told to leave...if that's actually what you think we really do have a problem and perhaps you'd do well to remember that, even with the 'protest vote' factor, 37% is still a minority.

You don't need to apologise for us.. Get over this 37% thing, do you assume that those who did not vote, would have all voted remain?

[ramAnag]

I wasn't apologising for you Angry...you thought things through and reached a conclusion that, although I disagree with, I recognise as being at least as valid to mine. I was apologising for the fact that we British are disuniting Europe at a time when such unity is, imo, crucial and for the proportion of ****wits who hijacked the referendum making it all about racism and immigration. The Germans I have spoken to 'get' the last bit, they understand our objection to a Brussels based bureaucracy too, but are still bewildered at us leaving.

No reason to 'get over the 37% thing'. Of course I don't assume all those who didn't vote would have voted 'Remain' but when 63% of 'the people' don't vote for something how does that provide a mandate to do it?

[Manofpride]

Remainers not bitter!!!

[ramAnag]

Remainers not bitter!!!

Actually I said...'I'm' not bitter MoP. Guess some may be, but when you consider that, in the course of this debate, the reaction of some 'Leavers' to both Swale and I has been 'if you don't like it...**** off to the EU' or... 'go back to the beloved motherland', it does make one wonder which side is being 'bitter'.
Don't know about Swale but I'm thoroughly Northern European in appearance, was brought up in Lancashire and have lived in Derby or Derbyshire since 1972 so being told to 'go back to the beloved motherland' was too daft to be hurtful. For those whose skin is a different colour, or others who settled in this country years ago such comments could be considered extremely, divisive and 'bitter' and unfortunately such thoughts represent the tip of an 'ice-berg' of prejudiced opinion which has been given 'respectability' by this, imo, ill conceived referendum.

P.S. Didn't you laugh at the prospect of Theresa May being PM too?

[swaledale]

Remainers not bitter!!!

Actually we are not bitter, or at least I'm not. I'm going to enjoy months or years as it dawns on those who voted Brexit that they haven't quite got what they thought they voted for!