OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[macstheman]

Voting stats mean very little in our 'democracy'. No party has gained more than 44% of the votes cast since 1974 when Wilson won with 43.9% meaning 31.9% of the electorate. In 2006 Blair won a 166 seat majority with only 24.1% of the electorate. Our system virtually always produces a situation where the majority of the electorate don't support the winner whether in a General Election or Referendum. Indeed, in the 1975 Referendum vote whilst over 60% of votes cast wished to stay in it only represented 43% of the electorate, quite a high % by our normal voting patterns but not in itself a definitive result. We have to accept that our system is far from perfect and yet it has produced a relatively stable system of government for a b****y long time. Does the EU offer anything better??, I personally don't think so. I think I'll stick with our system whilst confident that our natural and inbuilt ingenuity, common to island races will take us through to a successful economic future.

[ramAnag]

You didn't mention that Scottish woman who doesn't want to be ruled by the UK but is perfectly happy to be ruled from Brussels. What an obnoxious plonker.

Possibly precisely because she, like me, doesn't believe she is being 'ruled from Brussels' rp.
Perhaps you could outline exactly how this Brussels based 'ruling' impacts upon your day to day life because I genuinely don't see it.

[AngryRam]

Possibly precisely because she, like me, doesn't believe she is being 'ruled from Brussels' rp.
Perhaps you could outline exactly how this Brussels based 'ruling' impacts upon your day to day life because I genuinely don't see it.

Bananas!

[roger_ramjet]

Swale: whether you support said people or not doesnt invalidate the fact that they are militating in favour of a collapse of the EU.

After all I'm sure you didnt support Hitler's final solution but it still went ahead despite your disapproval.

[Trickytreesreds]

Possibly precisely because she, like me, doesn't believe she is being 'ruled from Brussels' rp.
Perhaps you could outline exactly how this Brussels based 'ruling' impacts upon your day to day life because I genuinely don't see it.

1. Sovereignty- Over the past few decades, a series of EU treaties have shifted a growing amount of power from individual member states to the central EU bureaucracy in Brussels. On subjects where the EU has been granted authority — like competition policy, agriculture, and copyright and patent law — EU rules override national laws.
2.Stupid regulations on industry- (I know I have had to deal with it). Ridiculous ones like you cant recycle t bags lol
3. Anti democratic giving too much power to corporate elites. How does this effect me? Easy, it allows monopoly of services that I need. TTIP read up on it.
4.The Euro. Yes before you say it, I know we don't have it. But other EU countries do and it's been a disaster which takes money from my pocket and away from services which I could enjoy. All prescriptions and education should be free. It has also caused mass unemployment in Greece/Italy/Spain/Portugal which they are over here seeking jobs. This effects me in many ways.
5. Free movement- The UK absorbed 333,000 new people, on net, in 2015. That’s a significant number for a country Britain’s size, though according to the CIA the UK still received slightly fewer net migrants, relative to population, than the United States in 2015.
In effect its harder to see a doctor/dentist/get a hospital appointment/ even house prices.
6. Money sent from this country, to upgrade the likes of Hungary/Romania etc. Does this effect me? Yes it does, because the EU is subsidising companies to uproot and shift to east european countries, thus making them money at the cost of our jobs. Exploitation of cheap labour. Had it happen to me twice now.

Is that a starter for you?

[Trickytreesreds]

missed one
7. Crime- a 240 per cent rise in EU convicts filing our jails at the cost to the taxpayer of £150million. Meanwhile, prisons in eastern Europe are experiencing a drop in their inmate populations.

Just days ago a landmark European Court of Justice ruling barred member states from sending prisoners back to their EU countries to finish their prison terms if their human rights are threatened there.

The ruling prevented Germany extraditing suspected criminals to their homes in Romania and Hungary because of fears their fundamental human rights would be at risk by the condition of the prisons.

[roger_ramjet]

Why bother with the 500 post thread - this is becoming it naturally and without being "forced"

[AngryRam]

Why bother with the 500 post thread - this is becoming it naturally and without being "forced"

Can't wait for post number 350.. Lets see what can I think of to post?

[roger_ramjet]

Can't wait for post number 350.. Lets see what can I think of to post?

We had better let Swales have the 500th post - I think he would shoot himself if he didnt get the last word on this subject!

[AngryRam]

We had better let Swales have the 500th post - I think he would shoot himself if he didnt get the last word on this subject!

Think we need a vote though..