OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[ramAnag]

Spot on Andy...again where's the like button gone? Quite funny on a certain topical quiz show. Beyond that...he's meant to be our Foreign Secretary ffs...'Maggie May's' first big mistake or a superb piece of political brinkmanship that'll see the end of Johnson as a credible politician by bonfire night?

[Trickytreesreds]

Ok, I said I was done but have to bring this back into it.

The upturn of attacks into Europe. The Schengen free movement has aided this, as much as Merkels and the EU's soft stance.
Juncker is again screaming no deals without free movement, despite the blood spilling going on.
We was warned a year ago, that ISIS were sending thousands hidden among the refugees.
If free movement is allowed to be introduced IN ANY DEAL or exit strategy, these sleepers will eventually find their way here. All those given european passports will get that chance.

Why oh why, does the EU not see it's own stupidity, when it stares them in the face.
Worrying times ahead and despite all these financial threads, immigration IS high on the agenda, as a condition of the EMPIRE.

[Ram59]

These queues in Dover must be down to retaliation from the French to brexit. Why are they checking people coming from Britain when they have all of their other borders completely open.

[Andy_Faber]

These queues in Dover must be down to retaliation from the French to brexit. Why are they checking people coming from Britain when they have all of their other borders completely open.

The guy responsible for border control at Calais (French) was on the radio this am and he was in what appeared to be a genuine rage about the situation, stating that he was 'embarrassed for France' that this FUBAR had happened. 59, they might wonder why they are doing this but it has a very real value to UK - it is part of the bi lateral agreement that enables UK border force to use Calais as the UK border and helps keep non-UK undesirables out. We do these checks too, it just appears we are a million percent better/more organised than the French.

[ramAnag]

TTR...stop glory hunting. This is our 500 thread

More seriously...let's keep a sense of perspective please. Tragic though the recent attacks in Germany have certainly been - and maybe Merkel was too welcoming/'soft' - there were tens of thousands of refugees/migrants welcomed into Germany. The last week has seen four attacks, all - as far as I'm aware - by seemingly disturbed individuals (arguably all terrorists are I know) at least one of whom was German born. Bad things happen, evil is perpetrated by all colours and creeds, but three out of tens of thousands hardly represents a reason for condemning Merkel's and 'the EU's soft stance'.

[Ram59]

I appreciate that we do the same checks in France, but we do then on all our borders, whereas the French don't have checks on their other borders.

It's just as well that the agreement allows the checks in the other country rather than when you get off the ferry. If that was the case, the queue would back up into the ferry.

[Andy_Faber]

TTR...stop glory hunting. This is our 500 thread

three out of tens of thousands hardly represents a reason for condemning Merkel's and 'the EU's soft stance'.

...but unfortunately it does, statistically.

[Gaspode]

The guy responsible for border control at Calais (French) was on the radio this am and he was in what appeared to be a genuine rage about the situation, stating that he was 'embarrassed for France' that this FUBAR had happened. 59, they might wonder why they are doing this but it has a very real value to UK - it is part of the bi lateral agreement that enables UK border force to use Calais as the UK border and helps keep non-UK undesirables out. We do these checks too, it just appears we are a million percent better/more organised than the French.

I was working in Paris when 911 happened and had to fly back from CDG airport in the following days (no stress on that flight ) - the French (as you would expect) severely tightened security at the airport and the queues were absolutely horrendous - though it appeared that despite the evident queues, the biggest issue was that the French security staff operated in their normal 'relaxed' (as in 'slow') way - no attempt to open additional desks or to work any faster, just plod along at their normal speed - it's something in the French psyche that stops them from making allowance and trying to be more efficient....

[ramAnag]

...but unfortunately it does, statistically.

Not really Andy...Merkel is alleged to have allowed 2,000,000 refugees/migrants into Germany. A political error, albeit a well intentioned one, imo, but just three people - all with supposed mental health issues - out of 2,000,000 is barely going to figure statistically.

[Trickytreesreds]

TTR...stop glory hunting. This is our 500 thread

More seriously...let's keep a sense of perspective please. Tragic though the recent attacks in Germany have certainly been - and maybe Merkel was too welcoming/'soft' - there were tens of thousands of refugees/migrants welcomed into Germany. The last week has seen four attacks, all - as far as I'm aware - by seemingly disturbed individuals (arguably all terrorists are I know) at least one of whom was German born. Bad things happen, evil is perpetrated by all colours and creeds, but three out of tens of thousands hardly represents a reason for condemning Merkel's and 'the EU's soft stance'.

Ram mate, please don't use the "mentally" disturbed excuse. It's wearing very thin from the German propaganda machine.
I wouldn't trust what a German politician/Police/Press says as far as I could throw them.

Cologne- 1000 *** crimes- tried to hush it up/ denied it was migrants/delayed telling the facts/ press down played it/ blamed the local women for inviting it. Hamburg was the same and both places had women having their arms twisted by Police and officials to withdraw their complaint.
Hell fire one of them Selin Goren, a 24-year-old politician and refugee activist, was ***ually assaulted by the group last January in the city of Mannheim. She lied about the descriptions, because she didn't want migrants BLAMED????
For Gods sake, how soft have they gone.
My ex girlfriend in Nurenburg, didn't even know about Cologne 2 days after it happened till I phoned her.

Now we have the mental illness excuse. It's bull****. It's down to one thing Islam!!!!