Well Said

[Rangersmandownunder]

Possibly because some of them (may wish to) identify with a small state that has been invaded by a more powerful land-grabbing hostile neighbour that murders and maims with impunity...

Watch yersel getting down from that awfy big horse mate.

[Sevvy too 2]

Watch yersel getting down from that awfy big horse mate.

Ffs Skip, you're serious about that too.

[Rangersmandownunder]

Ffs Skip, you're serious about that too.

Shut it you!

[JackSnakes]

Watch yersel getting down from that awfy big horse mate.

The guy asked a question and I gave him my thoughts.
There are parallels with Palestine and Ireland - both nations invaded by a cruel and aggressive neighbour whose aim was to disenfranchise the indigenous population, to murder and maim regardless of age or gender, to brutally suppress any attempt for the natives to achieve sovereignty in their own country, to treat those who live there as inferiors worthy of neither respect nor compassion, and to maintain to the outside world that this is all legal and above board.
I'm not big at supporting murdering bullies.
It is no big horse - it is simple historical fact and, in the case of Palestine, such atrocities currently happen every day.

[Rangersmandownunder]

The guy asked a question and I gave him my thoughts.
There are parallels with Palestine and Ireland - both nations invaded by a cruel and aggressive neighbour whose aim was to disenfranchise the indigenous population, to murder and maim regardless of age or gender, to brutally suppress any attempt for the natives to achieve sovereignty in their own country, to treat those who live there as inferiors worthy of neither respect nor compassion, and to maintain to the outside world that this is all legal and above board.
I'm not big at supporting murdering bullies.
It is no big horse - it is simple historical fact and, in the case of Palestine, such atrocities currently happen every day.

I don't think the Jews "invaded" anyone and historically the Irish initially supported the set up of the Jewish state, but that was probably to do with them killing the British and before the setting up of a "little Jewish Ulster" .

Another historical fact is the IRA receiving training and guns from the PLO to use against the British, meaning we now have republican areas in NI flying the Palestinian flag whilst the Unionist areas react with the Israeli flag, as many NI Unionists identify with Israel as an isolated community, surrounded by hostile forces and lacking international support.

The Irish tendency to view the outside world in terms of local obsessions is one that wont go away, the romantic struggle myth is exactly that, and lets not forget the massacre of Jews in these "historical facts".

For what its worth I support neither side in this conflict, both commit murderous indiscriminate acts, both have rights to claims on the land, with neither justified, however I do think the Israelis have a right to exist which, and lets be honest here, the Arabs would wipe out tomorrow if they thought they could get away with it.

Waving a flag at a football match to make a political point just makes you look like a w@nker.

[JackSnakes]

I don't think the Jews "invaded" anyone and historically the Irish initially supported the set up of the Jewish state, but that was probably to do with them killing the British and before the setting up of a "little Jewish Ulster" .

Another historical fact is the IRA receiving training and guns from the PLO to use against the British, meaning we now have republican areas in NI flying the Palestinian flag whilst the Unionist areas react with the Israeli flag, as many NI Unionists identify with Israel as an isolated community, surrounded by hostile forces and lacking international support.

The Irish tendency to view the outside world in terms of local obsessions is one that wont go away, the romantic struggle myth is exactly that, and lets not forget the massacre of Jews in these "historical facts".

For what its worth I support neither side in this conflict, both commit murderous indiscriminate acts, both have rights to claims on the land, with neither justified, however I do think the Israelis have a right to exist which, and lets be honest here, the Arabs would wipe out tomorrow if they thought they could get away with it.

Waving a flag at a football match to make a political point just makes you look like a w@nker.

There are things I support, and things I don't. My opinions on anything and everything are available for anyone who wants to know them.
Politics at football matches isn't one of the things I support.

[Taintedice]

Fantastic to see Scotland's Andy Murray acknowledge the saltire-waving Scots last night, come on Team Scotland in 4 years time.

[JackSnakes]

Fantastic to see Scotland's Andy Murray acknowledge the saltire-waving Scots last night, come on Team Scotland in 4 years time.

Was that when BBC Commentator Simon Reed, commentating on the men's final in Rio, said that after the match an emotional Murray was 'heading over to a small band of English fans ... he's obviously noticed them earlier'.

Right on cue, the camera panned to said fans, all of whom were wearing either Scotland shirts or See You Jimmy hats, or in some cases both!

It is this sort of ignorance that pi$$es people off. I'm sure no disrespect was intended but then, I recall a conversation with my mother-in-law when the discussion drifted over to the occasional animosity/banter... she said, (and I kid you not...)..
"I don't see why people get so upset about it... after all, we're all English...
I decided to diplomatically point out that she meant British, when she threw away her shovel and got the JCB out...
"British, English - it's all the same really..." My missus was watching me and I decided it was an argument that was not worth getting into but it was a salient demonstration that to many down here, British and English are the same thing - but Scottish is neither. They mean no harm but then neither do Americans who witter on about the "Queen of England".
Is it really worth getting upset over? (That wasn't a rhetorical question...)

[Taintedice]

Was that when BBC Commentator Simon Reed, commentating on the men's final in Rio, said that after the match an emotional Murray was 'heading over to a small band of English fans ... he's obviously noticed them earlier'.

yup, strange one as none of them were dressed as crusaders. Murray didn't go near them anyway as far as I know, he knows what the nigel twitterati would say if he did. As for England being the same as GB, no-one in England will disagree. 10 points if you find a newspaper which tells you how many medals have been won by Scots