From bad to worse..No wonder Warney's crying

[lbj]

Ellis....I'm 60 - played football from birth and competitive football until 46. I've captained many of the teams - coached and managed teams - FA coaching badge with Ray Varardi and Mel Sterling and if you know them ( albeit they won't remember...lol ) Ray ate my sandwiches and Mel had 10 points removed for wearing his England kit ( for a laugh ). I was brought up overlooking Millmoor and trained many times with Rotherham United on Park Street - before sports science decided running up Fenton Road knackered the players knees.

I had the full apprenticeship on the TIVOLI and have 60 plus away grounds visited watching the lads and sang my heart out at the Halifax match (kop choir) without missing many matches for a long periods.

I see what I see - and can't abide mass hysteria based on 13 games when I saw improvement with a brand new squad - dealing with major injuries ( Captain Frecks & Captain Kirk ) - agents screwing up potential deals and overpriced players sensibly side stepped.

Alan had survived Cancer - which can "chill people out" a little - but he was a thinker - a great player and a respected coach. He wasn't a "personality" or public speaker of renown but he knew we had to play a disciplined defensive game to survive this year.

It takes time to sort all the above problems out and 13 games isn't enough.

But just my opinion - I'm not a religious type trying to indoctrinate anyone into thinking my way - I just offer an alternative point of view when someone simplifies the situation we now face by saying Stubbs was s##t it's all his fault - it isn't.

Personally I think sacking stubbs is the worst mistake TS has made and as unjust as the sacking of Alan Knill after selling two of best players - quoting poor results.....another farce to get Mark Robins in post.

UTM....You asked...lol

[mikemiller]

Ellis....I'm 60 - played football from birth and competitive football until 46. I've captained many of the teams - coached and managed teams - FA coaching badge with Ray Varardi and Mel Sterling and if you know them ( albeit they won't remember...lol ) Ray ate my sandwiches and Mel had 10 points removed for wearing his England kit ( for a laugh ).

I'm not surprised, as it probably belonged to Mel SterlAND

[Ellis_D]

I'm not surprised, as it probably belonged to Mel SterlAND

And Imre Varadi not Ray Varardi! I think lbj is telling porkies.