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  1. #1
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    Pocket, I have nothing but admiration and gratitude for Tony Stewart and everything he's done for our club.
    However I'm not alone in thinking he needs some help and should be looking to appoint a few professionals into key positions to improve the infrastructure of the club. Some of his comments appear very amateurish and out of touch because communication is not one of his strong points. In fact it's never been one of the club's strong points either so that's one area that needs to be addressed.
    You're right, I have followed the Millers for a long time (60 years) and we have had some crap but also some good times as well.
    Our current situation is not the worst of times we have faced but I think TS and the board have missed a golden opportunity to take the club forward and now they are rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.
    That's what really irks me because I reckon it will be a while before we get out of this mess.
    I hope I'm wrong and a miracle happens but I stopped believing in those years ago 😕

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    The major problem with the club today, and over the years, has been the scattergun, piecemeal approach to everything. Setting aside the stadium, which speaks for itself, we've been panicked into bringing in players unfit for purpose, the Blackstock 3-year contract being a prime example; chosen the cheaper option or the quick fix whenever possible; tampered here and there... We've had ideas but have never seen them through to fruition, we've had plans which have never materialised, we've had promises and statements which have never been fulfilled... There has never been a comprehensive, whole-hearted, informed, long-term approach.

    I've no issue with trying something new, recruitment has been diabolical in recent seasons so, let's bring in a Head of Recruitment with his software package. It couldn't be any worse than the Stubbs-inspired fiasco. My main concern is that every initiative is addressed in isolation. If we are to adopt a more professional, a more technical approach to recruitment then we need to be looking at our approach to new technology across the board. If we are to upgrade recruitment then this needs to link into a reassessment of contracts and wage structure. Similarly, if we're looking to attract quality players, we need to be able to offer them quality medical and training facilities. I'm not suggesting we do everything overnight but we need a plan, properly costed, with deliverable timescales. This in itself can act as an incentive in showing us to be a progressive club with aims and objectives. Showing somebody a field and saying this is where our new training facilties might be in a few years time simply isn't good enough. Showing them a detailed plan, with drawings and timelines shows intent rather than dreams.

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    60k on software for stats you can get on wikipedia.

    Oh dear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen Erased View Post
    60k on software for stats you can get on wikipedia.

    Oh dear.
    Yes indeed and there's the other free indicator, those that cost a lot are going to be better than those that don't cost a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen Erased View Post
    60k on software for stats you can get on wikipedia.

    Oh dear.

    Well if that's your opinion then fine , however you couldn't be more wrong .

    As far as I'm aware the software converts game time players data and gives players an overall rating , this data is then analysed to monitor emerging talent , a young player at Barnet's data will reveal improvement if it's there , his score will improve and if it continues to improve then he's highlighted as a potential recruit , accessed in seconds without the need to make 4 or 5 trips to Underhill that may not come to fruitition .

    It also identifies players on the decline , the little 2 0r 3 percent that are ***** and can make the difference between a player who can improve you and one who wont .

    If you are recruiting such as ourselves in a limited market , budget and an under 24 years of age emerging talent market its a bit of kit we embrace .

    All the usual recruitment policies are followed up after its identified the target within our parameters , watched and credibility tested .

    Given our success at finding young emerging talent of late as oppose to the days when we recruited lemons by the dozen , I'd suggest its a system rather more advanced than Wikipedia .

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    Quote Originally Posted by animallittle3 View Post
    Well if that's your opinion then fine , however you couldn't be more wrong .

    As far as I'm aware the software converts game time players data and gives players an overall rating , this data is then analysed to monitor emerging talent , a young player at Barnet's data will reveal improvement if it's there , his score will improve and if it continues to improve then he's highlighted as a potential recruit , accessed in seconds without the need to make 4 or 5 trips to Underhill that may not come to fruitition .

    It also identifies players on the decline , the little 2 0r 3 percent that are ***** and can make the difference between a player who can improve you and one who wont .

    If you are recruiting such as ourselves in a limited market , budget and an under 24 years of age emerging talent market its a bit of kit we embrace .

    All the usual recruitment policies are followed up after its identified the target within our parameters , watched and credibility tested .

    Given our success at finding young emerging talent of late as oppose to the days when we recruited lemons by the dozen , I'd suggest its a system rather more advanced than Wikipedia .

    So then when Izzy Brown had 2 month tonsilitis his rating would have plummeted?

    It sounds though like a smart system but probably depends on a set of old guys sat at games giving their estimate of performance of players. That human element is therefore the flaw (as this site shows) peoples opinions can vary widely.

    Still having said that it's got to be an improvement on the eeny meeny miny mo system we seem to have now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grist_To_The_Mill View Post
    So then when Izzy Brown had 2 month tonsilitis his rating would have plummeted?

    It sounds though like a smart system but probably depends on a set of old guys sat at games giving their estimate of performance of players. That human element is therefore the flaw (as this site shows) peoples opinions can vary widely.

    Still having said that it's got to be an improvement on the eeny meeny miny mo system we seem to have now.

    Illness and injury or even returning from lay offs will be factored in .

    Look i'm not suggesting its fool proof , nothing ever is , what you are getting is a system that allows you to monitor and react to the recruitment of players quicky without the need initially to bomb up and down motorways , often in vain .

    We are getting offers for our players left , right and centre , most of whom cost peanuts , Mawson cost nothing and 12 months later he's worth 6.5 milion , Roberts was 50k and West Brom are lining up for him next month .

    Previously we recruited badly , whim and a prayer , relegated and without a pot to pyss in , is it coincidence we have moved up a level , won a trophy with 13 million in the bank to boot .

    C'mon , we aint that good fellas , embrace the tech .

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    The problem we've got, animal, is not having the skill, knowledge or expertise to operate or run anything effectively, including a football club. Perhaps, that's being a little harsh, but I'm sure you get the gist from reading the messages on here. It will take more than a piece of software to turn things around - but it's a brick in the wall, I guess. (Hopefully, more bricks will be delivered in time for Christmas! ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by leedsmiller View Post
    Perhaps, that's being a little harsh, but I'm sure you get the gist from reading the messages on here. ).
    i bet if 95% of the posters on here were in TS position the results would be exactly the same...

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