o/t Sack John Bercow immediately

[millmoormagic]

Okay Millmoor, I'll ask you a simple and straightforward question, see if you can give me a simple and straightforward answer......

In what way do you think this shows that the BBC are impartial? Do at least try to be honest, and at least try to give an actual answer rather than daft posts about you in fits of giggles, or any of the other various tactics you employ when your back is against the wall.

Where have i ever said that the BBC is impartial? Have a look at the governor general, or many of the high end executives, have a look at who appointed them, and come back and tell me it's 'left leaning' haha you and your ilk are either brainwashed by whatever you're being told by right wing ideology's, or you're stupid, simple as that.

One massive clue to you is this, i've felt the BBC bias, i've suffered it as a striking miner, just the same as the other media in this counrty, 90% right wing designed to influence working class people to fight against themselves.....see all the crap posted online these days, the populist nationalist views chucking fake sheite about, you're believing it, you're so naive it's unreal, but like i've said previously, you're not on your own. You cannot see the woods for the trees fella and it's a sad indictment of modern British working class people who've been dupped into believing in a millionaire ex banker would actually represent them, and that a multi billionaire American business man is driving against globalisation, facking hilarious....yeh, i'm chuckling but in reality it's tragic, because you and your ilk are driving this country and it's people into the ground while the rich get richer, the working man gets poorer, and Farage and Trump go running back to their bank accounts laughing.

That's the truth of it.

[Ellis_D]

Where have i ever said that the BBC is impartial? Have a look at the governor general, or many of the high end executives, have a look at who appointed them, and come back and tell me it's 'left leaning' haha you and your ilk are either brainwashed by whatever you're being told by right wing ideology's, or you're stupid, simple as that.

One massive clue to you is this, i've felt the BBC bias, i've suffered it as a striking miner, just the same as the other media in this counrty, 90% right wing designed to influence working class people to fight against themselves.....see all the crap posted online these days, the populist nationalist views chucking fake sheite about, you're believing it, you're so naive it's unreal, but like i've said previously, you're not on your own. You cannot see the woods for the trees fella and it's a sad indictment of modern British working class people who've been dupped into believing in a millionaire ex banker would actually represent them, and that a multi billionaire American business man is driving against globalisation, facking hilarious....yeh, i'm chuckling but in reality it's tragic, because you and your ilk are driving this country and it's people into the ground while the rich get richer, the working man gets poorer, and Farage and Trump go running back to their bank accounts laughing.

That's the truth of it.

Firstly, I don't know what the BBC was like during the miners' strikes as I was only a baby then. They could well have been very right wing then. They aren't now though. All the examples I am giving are of programmes from today, clearly showing a left wing bias. Talking about how it was thirty years ago is pointless to the subject.

I actually agree with part of what you are saying - about putting millionaires or multi billionaires in power, the rich getting richer while we all get poorer, etc. I can see it. I can also see that people like Trump are in it for themselves, of course I can.

But that's all about money. And to people like me - and many who voted for Trump - being safe is more important than money. I want my children to have as bright and prosperous future as possible, and that may well be under a Labour government where they get fairness.

But I also want them to actually have a future. To not be dead.

And the left wing governments all over Europe are letting in too many terrorists and potential terrorists into their country, and there are constant terror attacks. We would have had plenty more here by now were it not for our fantastic secret services.

And I already know your answer will be that I and the others who feel like this are being brainwashed. That we are listening to lies told by the likes of Farage and Trump, and the EDL. And that the right wing media are scaremongering.

I already know your answer.

And then others will say, there's less chance of a terrorist attack than being hit by a bus, blah blah blah, and all the other things that are used as excuses.

But that doesn't wash. I want someone in power who will try to protect us. People can go on about us being brainwashed as much as they like, but every time I see a new Islamic terror attack and loads of innocent people dead, I know that I am right in my convictions, that I do not - under any circumstances - want a left wing government led by someone like Jeremy Corbyn who wants an open border policy, let them all in! Let them all in to kill us. No thanks.

[millmoormagic]

Firstly, I don't know what the BBC was like during the miners' strikes as I was only a baby then. They could well have been very right wing then. They aren't now though. All the examples I am giving are of programmes from today, clearly showing a left wing bias. Talking about how it was thirty years ago is pointless to the subject.

I actually agree with part of what you are saying - about putting millionaires or multi billionaires in power, the rich getting richer while we all get poorer, etc. I can see it. I can also see that people like Trump are in it for themselves, of course I can.

But that's all about money. And to people like me - and many who voted for Trump - being safe is more important than money. I want my children to have as bright and prosperous future as possible, and that may well be under a Labour government where they get fairness.

But I also want them to actually have a future. To not be dead.

And the left wing governments all over Europe are letting in too many terrorists and potential terrorists into their country, and there are constant terror attacks. We would have had plenty more here by now were it not for our fantastic secret services.

And I already know your answer will be that I and the others who feel like this are being brainwashed. That we are listening to lies told by the likes of Farage and Trump, and the EDL. And that the right wing media are scaremongering.

I already know your answer.

And then others will say, there's less chance of a terrorist attack than being hit by a bus, blah blah blah, and all the other things that are used as excuses.

But that doesn't wash. I want someone in power who will try to protect us. People can go on about us being brainwashed as much as they like, but every time I see a new Islamic terror attack and loads of innocent people dead, I know that I am right in my convictions, that I do not - under any circumstances - want a left wing government led by someone like Jeremy Corbyn who wants an open border policy, let them all in! Let them all in to kill us. No thanks.

I pity you i really do, America is now, and alsways has been, the most dangerous warmongering country on Earth, and we've hung onto their coat tails like little children, lets talk about the USA then and how Trump is going to make it safer with his Muslim ban, i can tell you right now that he has probably increased the chances massively of a home grown Muslim extremist acting on his beliefs with the ban, you know what i'd do to make the American people safe? Take their guns of them, simple, did you see the table of how many Americans are kiled by terrorists? and how many by their own? You see, you've believed the hysteria from all sources in the right wing media, for years, about muslim extremism, and don't forget who created that extremism, ultimately, yep, the good old US of A, with us running behind em wiping their backsides.

Now, i'm not saying that there isn't people out there who wanna do harm, and i'm on record as saying these should be dealt with as swiftly and efficiently as possible, but what you, and your other EDL/UKIP/BNP brainwashees don't get is this...

THERE ISN'T A MUSLIM ARMY THAT'S GOING TO CUT YOUR THROAT WHILE YOU'RE ASLEEP......

As for a left wing gov't having an open border policy, this is all tied in with the EU debates about single market and free movement, what i will say is this, that a left wing gov't led by Corbyn would reduce immigration, by raising the basic income of every household, taking people out of the benefit system, and meaning we don't have to take as many people from other country's, you see a load of the immigrants have come over to be exploited by ruthless companies looking for cheap labour who won't, or can't, stand up for themselves, that's the real issue about immigration, there isn't your army of terrorists coming through Dover, and never will be,

[jolly_roger]

True because the army is already here. All those at Dover are just reinforcements

[millmoormagic]

True because the army is already here. All those at Dover are just reinforcements

Bring yourself out of the middle ages Jolly, it will do you the world of good...

[Ellis_D]

I pity you i really do, America is now, and alsways has been, the most dangerous warmongering country on Earth, and we've hung onto their coat tails like little children, lets talk about the USA then and how Trump is going to make it safer with his Muslim ban, i can tell you right now that he has probably increased the chances massively of a home grown Muslim extremist acting on his beliefs with the ban, you know what i'd do to make the American people safe? Take their guns of them, simple, did you see the table of how many Americans are kiled by terrorists? and how many by their own? You see, you've believed the hysteria from all sources in the right wing media, for years, about muslim extremism, and don't forget who created that extremism, ultimately, yep, the good old US of A, with us running behind em wiping their backsides.

Now, i'm not saying that there isn't people out there who wanna do harm, and i'm on record as saying these should be dealt with as swiftly and efficiently as possible, but what you, and your other EDL/UKIP/BNP brainwashees don't get is this...

THERE ISN'T A MUSLIM ARMY THAT'S GOING TO CUT YOUR THROAT WHILE YOU'RE ASLEEP......

As for a left wing gov't having an open border policy, this is all tied in with the EU debates about single market and free movement, what i will say is this, that a left wing gov't led by Corbyn would reduce immigration, by raising the basic income of every household, taking people out of the benefit system, and meaning we don't have to take as many people from other country's, you see a load of the immigrants have come over to be exploited by ruthless companies looking for cheap labour who won't, or can't, stand up for themselves, that's the real issue about immigration, there isn't your army of terrorists coming through Dover, and never will be,

Lol, I knew a lot of what your answer would be.

I do agree, though, that they should ban guns in America, but I can't see it working, and if it did, it would probably take over 100 years. The main problem is, all the bad people there have guns. So the good people there need guns to protect themselves from the bad people. And if they ban guns and ask everyone to hand their guns in, the only people who would be handing their guns over would be the good people. The bad people would keep theirs, making the good people feel less safe. Banning guns really isn't an easy decision.

[Ellis_D]

Oh and just one further, quick point.

The "Muslim army of terrorists wishing to cut my throat" who now live in Europe is bigger than it was five years ago. And ten years ago. And twenty years ago. And fifty years ago. And a hundred years ago. So the "Muslim army of terrorists wishing to cut my throat" keeps getting bigger and bigger. Largely due to mass immigration, but also because they have more babies per family than us. As it keeps getting bigger and bigger, so the risk of us getting killed in terror attacks rises.

And it's alright you saying we have been brainwashed, it'll never happen.

But I had these types of conversations with people after 7/7, and if I'd have said to you then that in 10-12 years time we will be getting Islamic terror attacks in Europe every couple of weeks or so, you would have laughed, called me brainwashed by the far right and told me it will never happen.

Just like people of your ilk also called us all racists a few years back when we spoke of Muslim *****phile grooming gangs all over Britain and said we were making it up.

Everything we have said has been proven to be true.

[millmoormagic]

Lol, I knew a lot of what your answer would be.

I do agree, though, that they should ban guns in America, but I can't see it working, and if it did, it would probably take over 100 years. The main problem is, all the bad people there have guns. So the good people there need guns to protect themselves from the bad people. And if they ban guns and ask everyone to hand their guns in, the only people who would be handing their guns over would be the good people. The bad people would keep theirs, making the good people feel less safe. Banning guns really isn't an easy decision.

Lol, you know what's coming because you know i'm right,

As for guns, well, in America they have the police power to do what they want, where there's a will there's a way, the old adage of 'good' peopel needing guns to protect themselves, well it doesn't really work in practice does it, the vast majority of 'good' people would, at the moment of truth, freeze and be unable to shoot the gun accurately, if at all, it's a misnomer that guns protect.

I listen to folks when ive debated this issue before about how they'd blow burglar's heads off blah blah blah, but you don't really know, do you, when/if that time came, if you had the wherewithall to carry it out.

[millmoormagic]

Oh and just one further, quick point.

The "Muslim army of terrorists wishing to cut my throat" who now live in Europe is bigger than it was five years ago. And ten years ago. And twenty years ago. And fifty years ago. And a hundred years ago. So the "Muslim army of terrorists wishing to cut my throat" keeps getting bigger and bigger. Largely due to mass immigration, but also because they have more babies per family than us. As it keeps getting bigger and bigger, so the risk of us getting killed in terror attacks rises.

And it's alright you saying we have been brainwashed, it'll never happen.

But I had these types of conversations with people after 7/7, and if I'd have said to you then that in 10-12 years time we will be getting Islamic terror attacks in Europe every couple of weeks or so, you would have laughed, called me brainwashed by the far right and told me it will never happen.

Just like people of your ilk also called us all racists a few years back when we spoke of Muslim *****phile grooming gangs all over Britain and said we were making it up.

Everything we have said has been proven to be true.

You're grasping though arent you, it's totally natural that the muslim population will have risen, but by the same token not quite as fast as you scaremongering right wingers would have us believe. You're also, by default if not purposely, tarring every muslim with the same brush, the vast majority want the exact same thing as you, have a peaceful life with no drama, bring their kids up, done, i'd say 99% of muslims don't even think about 'fundamentalism', sure there's gunna be debate in the muslim community about all things in their religion, and sure there's gunna be some that are angry and p****d off with how some of their brotherhood have been treated over the years (lets face it, they've been shat on from a massive height) but that doesn't make them terrorists.

We have in my view done a lot of good work here in Britain in trying to bring everyone together, and many muslim men and women that i know are very much British, of course with an asian slant. Now don't get me wrong, i think the asian community could, and should, be doing much more to be inclusive, doesn't make them all terrorists though.

[jolly_roger]

Regarding the growth in Muslim population being normal, here's a few facts from the census figures.

1961 Muslim population was 0.11% of total with 7 registered mosques
1971 0.46% with 30 mosques
1981 1.11% with 149 mosques
1991 1.86% with 443 mosques
2001 3.07% with 614 mosques
2011 4.83% with 1500 mosques

Now that's nigh on exponential growth,bearing in mind that census reported figures are regarded as underestimates because some Asian women aren't declared by their husbands ( or avoid filling in the form completely) also the mosque numbers are for fully registered ones, there are many more teaching Islam but not declared as official mosques.

So if we are seeing issues now with "only" about 5% of the population being Muslim then what's it going to be like 10 years from now?

Grim is the answer.