o/t Sack John Bercow immediately

[Ellis_D]

Well, i'll take it from your figures then, in ten years time it can be expected, if the growth follows the same trend, that the muslim population will have risen by 1.76% to 6.59%, hardly a massive hike, given that still leaves 93.41% non muslim population...

I'll say the same to you jolly as ive said to Ellis, drop your unfounded fears of muslim takeovers and mass murder in every street, aint gunna happen.

And then what? How many years with that kind of growth will it take until Muslims are the majority in this country? Through terror tactics, spreading their religion or by a far higher rate of births? I guarantee it will only take until the figure is about 20% before we have a civil war in this country.

[millmoormagic]

And then what? How many years with that kind of growth will it take until Muslims are the majority in this country? Through terror tactics, spreading their religion or by a far higher rate of births? I guarantee it will only take until the figure is about 20% before we have a civil war in this country.

You're deluded, and not listening, or you don't want to listen, many many asians are integrating, and the vast majority are against any kind of violence, vast majority. I'm also on record as saying i think Islam is a corrupt religion, i also think the same for christianity, all delusional control organisations, but i wouldn't ban them, if people get what they think they need from them then fair enough. You cannot, just cannot tar everyone with the same brush, i'm not an apologist for any person or organisation, i'm just sick to death of the scaremongering going on that is baseless, and used to gain political power.

[Ellis_D]

You're deluded, and not listening, or you don't want to listen, many many asians are integrating, and the vast majority are against any kind of violence, vast majority. I'm also on record as saying i think Islam is a corrupt religion, i also think the same for christianity, all delusional control organisations, but i wouldn't ban them, if people get what they think they need from them then fair enough. You cannot, just cannot tar everyone with the same brush, i'm not an apologist for any person or organisation, i'm just sick to death of the scaremongering going on that is baseless, and used to gain political power.

I never mentioned Asians, I said Muslims. Although I will let you off with that, seeing as most Muslims are of Asian origin.

You accuse me of not listening, and I accuse you of the same. We are never going to change each other's opinions, probably not even 1%. I have several times acknowledged that most Muslims are good, honest, decent people.

However, the facts show for themselves, the more Muslims that move to your country, the more terror attacks occur (or at least, attempted terror attacks if we manage to prevent them). So the higher rate of Muslims we have, the more terror attacks we will have.

[Neville_Davitt]

I never mentioned Asians, I said Muslims. Although I will let you off with that, seeing as most Muslims are of Asian origin.

You accuse me of not listening, and I accuse you of the same. We are never going to change each other's opinions, probably not even 1%. I have several times acknowledged that most Muslims are good, honest, decent people.

However, the facts show for themselves, the more Muslims that move to your country, the more terror attacks occur (or at least, attempted terror attacks if we manage to prevent them). So the higher rate of Muslims we have, the more terror attacks we will have.

Genuine question Ellis D.

You've stated that the higher rate of Muslims we have = the more terror attacks we will have. Can you point me to the research and/or data that shows this? I'd be interested to read this analysis/study and the data that proves the link. I'm assuming that it is a legitimate and scientific study (e.g a Home Office and/or Government paper) that proves beyond doubt that there is a correlation. So grateful if you could yell me where I can find this evidence or perhaps attach a link/links to it. Thanks.

[Ellis_D]

Genuine question Ellis D.

You've stated that the higher rate of Muslims we have = the more terror attacks we will have. Can you point me to the research and/or data that shows this? I'd be interested to read this analysis/study and the data that proves the link. I'm assuming that it is a legitimate and scientific study (e.g a Home Office and/or Government paper) that proves beyond doubt that there is a correlation. So grateful if you could yell me where I can find this evidence or perhaps attach a link/links to it. Thanks.

You're trying to be a smartarse, but I'll give an answer anyway.

France, Belgium and Germany have let in loads of Muslims and have the most terror attacks in Europe. France, especially, with the highest number of Muslims, has, amazingly enough, suffered the most amount of terror attacks. Poland has a very low percentage of Muslims, and also has a very low amount of terror attacks. Japan has strict immigration controls and a very small minority of Muslims, the end result being zero terror attacks.

[Neville_Davitt]

You're trying to be a smartarse, but I'll give an answer anyway.

France, Belgium and Germany have let in loads of Muslims and have the most terror attacks in Europe. France, especially, with the highest number of Muslims, has, amazingly enough, suffered the most amount of terror attacks. Poland has a very low percentage of Muslims, and also has a very low amount of terror attacks. Japan has strict immigration controls and a very small minority of Muslims, the end result being zero terror attacks.

OK so now you've now widened out this from the UK to other European countries. So same inquiry. Can you provide links to reports for each of these countries then? You stated that it was a "fact" that an increase in Muslims led to an increase in terrorist attacks. What you've expressed is an opinion. I'm interested in the evidence and not an opinion.

So grateful if you could point me in the direction of the data that supports your claim above. Simple request.

[Ellis_D]

16 terrorist attacks took place in Europe in 2016, by July, and five of them were in France. That's because the percentage of Muslims in France is higher than other European countries.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...ding-in-france

Just to see how too many Muslims in Britian sympathise with terror attacks: "In the wake of the Charlie Hebdo attacks the BBC conducted an opinion poll of the views of the British Muslim community. 27 per-cent of those questioned agreed with the statement “I have some sympathy behind the motives of the Charlie Hebdo attacks in Paris”. A further 2 per cent refused to answer. A further 8 per cent couldn’t make up their minds whether they agreed with the statement or not.
When nearly 40 per cent of British Muslims are at best ambiguous, and at worst supportive, of the argument the Charlie Hebdo massacre had some form of moral justification, then that number is too high. And it is high enough to indicate that the benefit of sticking our head in the sands over the link between terror and Islam is outweighed by the downside."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-break-it.html

"The number of people killed by terrorists worldwide in 2013 rose by 60 percent compared to the previous year – from 11,133 to 17,958 – with four Sunni Muslim extremist groups responsible for two-thirds of all fatalities, according to a comprehensive annual study.
Eighty-two percent of fatalities occurred in just five countries – Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Nigeria and Syria, although the number of countries that experienced more than 50 terror-related deaths also rose – to 24, compared with 15 the previous year."

So more terrorist attacks in Muslim countries than any other nations. I wonder why that could be? Is it, perhaps, because those Muslim countries have lots of Muslims there?!?!

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...-killings-2013

"WHY have jihadist terrorists made France Europe’s bloodiest battlefield?

Simple answer: Because France let in the most Muslims.

This link between immigration policies and terrorism largely explains why the French are the greatest victims of Europe’s jihadists."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opi...f475b5dbdf74c5

"Pew asked Muslims in the U.S. under what circumstances “suicide bombings and other forms of violence against civilians is justified to defend Islam." Thankfully, Pew reported, Muslims mostly (86%) say such behavior is “rarely or never” justified. Whew! That means about 1.6 million Muslim adults living here say they don't approve of violence in the name of their religion. But what about the rest? What do they believe about justifiable violence?

Seven percent of Muslims in America told Pew researchers that violence against civilians is “sometimes” justified in the name of Islam, and 1% said “often.” Whoa! This means there are more than 100,000 Muslim adults living in this country who could justify a suicide bombing in the name of their religion."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinio...lumn/86670606/

[Ellis_D]

And what about prison figures? You would surely expect, for example, if a country has a 5% Muslim population, the prison figures would be about the same? Not so. And that is worrying, because they are converting and radicalising a load of young white and black people all over the place.

In the UK: "UK: Muslims fill 44% of high security prisons, out of a 5% Muslim population"

https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.c...im-population/

In America, 15% of the prison population are Muslim, from a country that only has a 0.8% Muslim population:

http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/21/u-...lized-inmates/

Belgium? "While Muslims represent between 4 and 5 per cent of Belgium's entire population, 35 per cent of the incarcerated population is of Muslim descent."

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/article/...307159930/1098

Italy? Only 2.6% of the population are Muslims, yet a third of the prison population are Muslims.

http://www1.adnkronos.com/AKI/Englis...3.0.3731049377

How about the figures that 77% of rapes in Sweden are committed by a 4.4% Muslim population?

The left can lie, or bury their heads in the sand all they like about serious issues with Islam, but the facts and statistics speak for themselves.

[Neville_Davitt]

And what about prison figures? You would surely expect, for example, if a country has a 5% Muslim population, the prison figures would be about the same? Not so. And that is worrying, because they are converting and radicalising a load of young white and black people all over the place.

In the UK: "UK: Muslims fill 44% of high security prisons, out of a 5% Muslim population"

https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.c...im-population/

In America, 15% of the prison population are Muslim, from a country that only has a 0.8% Muslim population:

http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/21/u-...lized-inmates/

Belgium? "While Muslims represent between 4 and 5 per cent of Belgium's entire population, 35 per cent of the incarcerated population is of Muslim descent."

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/article/...307159930/1098

Italy? Only 2.6% of the population are Muslims, yet a third of the prison population are Muslims.

http://www1.adnkronos.com/AKI/Englis...3.0.3731049377

How about the figures that 77% of rapes in Sweden are committed by a 4.4% Muslim population?

The left can lie, or bury their heads in the sand all they like about serious issues with Islam, but the facts and statistics speak for themselves.

"Alternative facts" - are you Kellyanne Conway in disguise?

Ellis D 08/02/17 @ 04:51 p.m. "However the facts show for themselves, the more Muslims that move to your country, the more terror attacks occur (or at least, attempted terror attacks if we manage to prevent them). So the higher rate of Muslims we have, the more terror attacks we will have"

Sorry I must have missed the quote about prisons. What about them? What relevance do they have to the above statement? So for the last time, show me or point me in the direction of the research/evidence that backs up what you said earlier today. The FACT is that you can't and you’re starting to look a bit silly.

[Ellis_D]

"Alternative facts" - are you Kellyanne Conway in disguise?

Ellis D 08/02/17 @ 04:51 p.m. "However the facts show for themselves, the more Muslims that move to your country, the more terror attacks occur (or at least, attempted terror attacks if we manage to prevent them). So the higher rate of Muslims we have, the more terror attacks we will have"

Sorry I must have missed the quote about prisons. What about them? What relevance do they have to the above statement? So for the last time, show me or point me in the direction of the research/evidence that backs up what you said earlier today. The FACT is that you can't and you’re starting to look a bit silly.

My 9.18pm post, which you must have missed, gives several. I'm not doing any more research for you, do your own. France has the highest Muslim population in Europe. France has the most terror attacks in Europe. The two are linked, even if you want to try and pretend they are not.

Our special forces have foiled ten terror attacks in the last two years. Who do you suppose was responsible for all those potential attacks? The more Muslims you let in a country, the more terrorist attacks, or attempted terrorist attacks.