I took her on in her own town in a pre-referendum debate and beat her hands down. The Chairman was so embarrassed he didn't put the motion to a vote but when an audience member,most of whom were Labour supporters, asked who would join the EU in the circumstances I described only two people put their hands up including Mrs Creagh. Quite a few in the audience became angry with her for not being willing to face reality. She couldn't put up any rational argument for staying in the EU rather making points that fell into the category 'Wouldn't it be nice if.....'




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