o/t "the prisoners are in control"

[the_idiotb_stardson]

Yep, let's have a system like the American model......take a look and compare...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...son_population

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=american+prison+statistics&oq=american+pr is&aqs=chrome.5.69i57j0l5.8338j0j7&sourceid=chrome &ie=UTF-8

But don't let facts get in the way of your half baked populist ideolgy old bean will you...

So off you run to your Maoist websites to gather a few "facts".

I bet if you walked down Wellgate you wouldn't see: the dead-eyed hoodies twitching on the street corner, the beggars skulking around the shops, the urine and puke-stained pavements and the vandalised phonebox, because you would be on your mobile phone googling www.commie bollo cks. com which would no doubt tell you Wellgate was a "vibrant, ethnically diverse, working class culture, and if there is a problem it's Thatcher's fault."

[jolly_roger]

So off you run to your Maoist websites to gather a few "facts".

I bet if you walked down Wellgate you wouldn't see: the dead-eyed hoodies twitching on the street corner, the beggars skulking around the shops, the urine and puke-stained pavements and the vandalised phonebox, because you would be on your mobile phone googling www.commie bollo cks. com which would no doubt tell you Wellgate was a "vibrant, ethnically diverse, working class culture, and if there is a problem it's Thatcher's fault."

The apologists are part of the problem.

[millmoormagic]

So off you run to your Maoist websites to gather a few "facts".

I bet if you walked down Wellgate you wouldn't see: the dead-eyed hoodies twitching on the street corner, the beggars skulking around the shops, the urine and puke-stained pavements and the vandalised phonebox, because you would be on your mobile phone googling www.commie bollo cks. com which would no doubt tell you Wellgate was a "vibrant, ethnically diverse, working class culture, and if there is a problem it's Thatcher's fault."

Maoist websites, haha, just like a lot of insular folk these days, you seem to think that giving something a label will make people believe what you're saying, i notice that you don't give any reasonable alternative facts there haha.

I'd like to say that if i walked down Wellgate i'd see people in hoodies, got a couple myself, one even with the club badge on it (are you hoodiest now, haha)
I'd see maybe homeless people maybe.
Urine and puke stained pavements? don't think so to be honest.
Vandalised phone box, really?, maybe phone boxes have never been vandalised anywhere else, just in Rotherham, just to suit your inane argument,
I'm a commie now then haha.
Vibrant and ethnicly diverse, well it's certainly that, working class, yep, problems all Thatcher's fault?, by and large i'd say yep, you've got that spot on fella haha.

Ok, here's what i, (an apologist, liberalism type commie maoist leftie etc etc) would do to deal with many things you have an issue with.

1. Basic garanteed income, at least £10 per hour.

This would give people a decent living, with the spin offs that folk having extra money brings, they spend more, they buy products, they create wealth.
This would also break the welfare dependancy, taking many people off the welfare bill,
This would also reduce immigration, we wouldn't need to bring half as many unskilled migrants in to the country.
This would also encourage folk, with the extra money they have, to think about buying their own home, thus taking people out of the renting cycle. This has extra benefits, you see, if someone owns their house they have more respect for it, and therefore they have incentive also to look after their neighbourhood.
More respect means less crime means lower prison population...

That is just one thing we could do, just one thing.....