Ot- May calls for election in June.

[Ram59]

Whilst you are generally correct that sacking and suspension are not the same thing, when you are an MP they do in fact amount to the same thing - especially with an election around the corner. You cannot suspend an MP without effectively sacking him since his mandate is taken away and he has no opportunity to get his job back for at least 5 years, if at all, as he would then need to unseat a standing member (oooh missus)

Give it up RR, otherwise you'll get concussion like me.

[swaledale]

Give it up RR, otherwise you'll get concussion like me.

Aye best to when your arguments don't stack up and you use a wrong term to describe someone who is delusional. misguided, foolish and can't count!

[swaledale]

Swale, I thought you should be first to know that, based on a comment about a 'contentious issue' made by one of the party leaders this week, I am considering a change in who I put my cross against. Just weighing up whether I should be voting based on a single issue

Andy you vote how you want to its a "free" country or at least voting still is!

[ramAnag]

Give it up RR, otherwise you'll get concussion like me.

You clearly didn't read my reply to Roger's point...just out of interest, at what point would you consider that an MP might be suspended - not sacked - and do you believe that, with an election pending, the slate for all/any MP's suspected wrongdoing should somehow be wiped clean?

[Trickytreesreds]

Because Abbot isn't racist! Prone to foot in mouth incidents but not racist. You fail to understand the context in which she speaks, but thats not surprising!

You are seriously telling me this comment isn't racist?

"White people love playing 'divide & rule' We should not play their game #tacticasoldascolonialism."
There is a key word there.


ra¦cism
[ˈreɪsɪz(ə)m]
NOUN
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior:
"a programme to combat racism"
synonyms: racial discrimination · racialism · racial prejudice/bigotry · xenophobia · chauvinism · bigotry · bias · intolerance · anti-Semitism · apartheid

Unbelievable

[AdiSalisbury]

Swale, I thought you should be first to know that, based on a comment about a 'contentious issue' made by one of the party leaders this week, I am considering a change in who I put my cross against. Just weighing up whether I should be voting based on a single issue

Was "I've always been for fox hunting" the comment?

[Ram59]

You clearly didn't read my reply to Roger's point...just out of interest, at what point would you consider that an MP might be suspended - not sacked - and do you believe that, with an election pending, the slate for all/any MP's suspected wrongdoing should somehow be wiped clean?

OK, you've dragged me back into this. Because of the unique nature of an MPs job, normal practises cannot be followed. A suspension during an election is effectively a sacking not a suspension in full pay for 5 years after which they automatically return to their job after being found innocent. One solution would be to suspend the MP in full pay and only have a by-election after the case has concluded.

Even if they were found guilty after being re-elected, they are still facing punishment, where do I say that the slate should be wiped clean?

If you're advocating suspension from the general election, then you may be setting a dangerous precident. What's to stop people from drumming up accusations against MPs in marginal seats just before general elections, knowing that it would kick them out of the election?

Also ultimately it's up to the electorate who represents them. If they feel sufficiently strongly against the MP, then they'll kick them out, having said that, they still keep voting someone who makes racist comments, in.

[swaledale]

You are seriously telling me this comment isn't racist?

"White people love playing 'divide & rule' We should not play their game #tacticasoldascolonialism."
There is a key word there.


ra¦cism
[ˈreɪsɪz(ə)m]
NOUN
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior:
"a programme to combat racism"
synonyms: racial discrimination · racialism · racial prejudice/bigotry · xenophobia · chauvinism · bigotry · bias · intolerance · anti-Semitism · apartheid

Unbelievable

Tricky I'd ahve thought by now you would have learnt that people in glass houses should not throw stones!

[swaledale]

OK, you've dragged me back into this. Because of the unique nature of an MPs job, normal practises cannot be followed. A suspension during an election is effectively a sacking not a suspension in full pay for 5 years after which they automatically return to their job after being found innocent. One solution would be to suspend the MP in full pay and only have a by-election after the case has concluded.

Even if they were found guilty after being re-elected, they are still facing punishment, where do I say that the slate should be wiped clean?

If you're advocating suspension from the general election, then you may be setting a dangerous precident. What's to stop people from drumming up accusations against MPs in marginal seats just before general elections, knowing that it would kick them out of the election?

Also ultimately it's up to the electorate who represents them. If they feel sufficiently strongly against the MP, then they'll kick them out, having said that, they still keep voting someone who makes racist comments, in.

Indeed many Tory Mp's who by the comments and attitude appear racist are often relected!

I'll explain why Abbott isn't racist

The “reverse racism” card is often pulled by white people when people of color call out racism and discrimination, or create spaces for themselves that white people aren’t a part of or make comments that support people of their race.. The impulse behind the reverse racism argument seems to be a desire to prove that people of color don’t have it that bad, they’re not the only ones that are put at a disadvantage or targeted because of their race. It’s like the Racism Olympics. And it’s patently untrue.

It really all comes down to semantics. At some point, the actual meaning of “racism” got mixed up with other aspects of racism — prejudice, bigotry, ignorance, and so on. It’s true: White people can experience prejudice from black people and other non-whites. Black people can have ignorant, backwards ideas about white people, as well as other non-white races. No one is trying to deny that. But racism is far more complex.

[ramAnag]

OK, you've dragged me back into this. Because of the unique nature of an MPs job, normal practises cannot be followed. A suspension during an election is effectively a sacking not a suspension in full pay for 5 years after which they automatically return to their job after being found innocent. One solution would be to suspend the MP in full pay and only have a by-election after the case has concluded.

Even if they were found guilty after being re-elected, they are still facing punishment, where do I say that the slate should be wiped clean?

If you're advocating suspension from the general election, then you may be setting a dangerous precident. What's to stop people from drumming up accusations against MPs in marginal seats just before general elections, knowing that it would kick them out of the election?

Also ultimately it's up to the electorate who represents them. If they feel sufficiently strongly against the MP, then they'll kick them out, having said that, they still keep voting someone who makes racist comments, in.

Right, so you're actually saying that because of the 'unique nature of an MP's job' that they are effectively above the law or do not need to conform to the electoral rules.

You have a point about people possibly 'drumming up accusations', but MP's are not alone in that predicament and there has to be a balance. The fact that, at the time of Dennis Skinner's comment, I think as many as twenty Tory MP's were under investigation for something that was alleged to have happened during the last election and yet were still being allowed to contest another election as if nothing had happened can surely not be acceptable.

I've explained elsewhere how suspension during the time of the election could have been implemented with any MP being able to resume his/her position if and when they were found 'not guilty'. Either way, at no time did I 'want those MP's to be sacked' as you incorrectly suggested.