O/T Tommy Robinson Speaks About Manchester Terror Attack

[millmoormagic]

I think they would argue that we kill many more innocent men women and children than they do, when we send our armed forces into Muslim countries to fight in wars that don't concern us.

I'm not saying for one minute that its is a valid arguement or any kind of justification, but it's what they would say. It's certainly the case that we don't generally tend to think about those people because their deaths go unreported and unaccounted for, in our media.

Be careful Lasterman, you'll be dubbed an apologist with that kind of statement from some on here...

[brassgnat]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

Funny how a link to Jeremy Corbyn's speak he made in Rotherham was, I suspect, edited out, but Yaxley-Lennons hatred and bile is welcome by the mods.
"If Adolf Hitler flew in today, they'd send a limousine anyway"
What about the muslim health workers and taxi drivers who aided and assisted at the scene, if they all support the bomber.

[Yak]

Who has said all muslims support the bomber?

But don't try and tell me that it's not a problem in the Muslim community.

The acceptance of oh it's only the minority by some is staggering and frightening.

Try telling that to the victims family's.

[Acido]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

Funny how a link to Jeremy Corbyn's speak he made in Rotherham was, I suspect, edited out, but Yaxley-Lennons hatred and bile is welcome by the mods.
"If Adolf Hitler flew in today, they'd send a limousine anyway"
What about the muslim health workers and taxi drivers who aided and assisted at the scene, if they all support the bomber.

What makes you think that Robinson just speaks hatred and bile. Dont you believe anything he says is right ?

[Ellis_D]

What makes you think that Robinson just speaks hatred and bile. Dont you believe anything he says is right ?

Because the newspapers he reads and websites he visits have brainwashed him to think that ANYTHING Tommy Robinson says is wrong, because he is a massive racist. Honestly mate, this one is way too far gone to even debate with. You're wasting your time.

If he has actually taken his time to watch the video, and if he wasn't so far indoctrinated, he would see that the ONLY hatred and bile in that video was directed towards the Islamic extremists. But brasstwohat doesn't like that anyway, it goes against everything he believes in to ever dare to suggest it has something to do with Islam.

[Lasterman]

Be careful Lasterman, you'll be dubbed an apologist with that kind of statement from some on here...

Well that would be a misinterpretation. I do think you need to try to understand how these people think though, and what drives them, before coming up with solutions that might work. Needless to say, you can't just round up 4,000 'suspects' and intern them. Nor can you deport what, for the most part, could turn out to be largely British citizens. I don't think recognising that makes you either a liberal or an apologist.

[millmoormagic]

Well that would be a misinterpretation. I do think you need to try to understand how these people think though, and what drives them, before coming up with solutions that might work. Needless to say, you can't just round up 4,000 'suspects' and intern them. Nor can you deport what, for the most part, could turn out to be largely British citizens. I don't think recognising that makes you either a liberal or an apologist.

Me neither, and for once, i agree 100% with Kempo's post above.

I don't purport to know the short term answers to attacks like this, i'm sure that if the security services had any inkling then they'd have picked this bloke up and stopped it. The point is that we cannot as a decent, civilised society bow down to these murdering b astards, but by the same token we cannot punish a whole community either, i'm absolutely adamant that the muslim community could, and should, do much more, but ostracising them does no good for anyone.

[Ellis_D]

Me neither, and for once, i agree 100% with Kempo's post above.

I don't purport to know the short term answers to attacks like this, i'm sure that if the security services had any inkling then they'd have picked this bloke up and stopped it. The point is that we cannot as a decent, civilised society bow down to these murdering b astards, but by the same token we cannot punish a whole community either, i'm absolutely adamant that the muslim community could, and should, do much more, but ostracising them does no good for anyone.

Nor do any of the 'solutions' that people come up with every terror attack. Have a candlelit vigil, a minute's silence, the governments speak of strong measures, people discuss it on the internet, nothing happens, and then the next attack arrives.

I haven't said ostracise an entire community. I have said deport or indefinitely jail everyone on the terror suspects list.

And to answer one or two points further up, it's quite simple. Deport any foreigners who are suspected of being involved with terrorism, jail any British ones. It's not rocket science. If they are suspected, there is a sound reason for being suspected, and it's not just because they are Muslim. Otherwise we wouldn't have 4,000 on the list we would have over 3 million on the list. So the people who are saying this would attack/ostracise/demonise an entire community or religion, stop talking absolute sh!te.

[millmoormagic]

Nor do any of the 'solutions' that people come up with every terror attack. Have a candlelit vigil, a minute's silence, the governments speak of strong measures, people discuss it on the internet, nothing happens, and then the next attack arrives.

I haven't said ostracise an entire community. I have said deport or indefinitely jail everyone on the terror suspects list.

And to answer one or two points further up, it's quite simple. Deport any foreigners who are suspected of being involved with terrorism, jail any British ones. It's not rocket science. If they are suspected, there is a sound reason for being suspected, and it's not just because they are Muslim. Otherwise we wouldn't have 4,000 on the list we would have over 3 million on the list. So the people who are saying this would attack/ostracise/demonise an entire community or religion, stop talking absolute sh!te.

Let's be straight here, the candlelit vigils, the minute's silences etc etc are not, and never will be solutions, they're a much needed boost for everyone in the country to feel at one with those directly affected, it's things like these that bind us as a country, and even if they just give a tiny bit of comfort to those directly affected then they're a beautiful thing.

To answer the points on this rocket science you're on about, you talk of 'potential' 4000 suspects and say that if we killed all those 4000 suspects then we'd stop future attacks....yes, you're probably right, that would probably stop the short term attacks, but would create another 4fold increase in folk willing to engage in this sheite, killing even more in the future, no ellis, your way is the wrong way, the time we start killing innocents (because without proof, thats what they are) then we're just as bad as they are.

[Turfmoorspirit]

I agree with this guy. A realist..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rket4xvu_ac