O/T Tommy Robinson Speaks About Manchester Terror Attack

[kempo]

LOL..in a serious and respectful way of course at this time but here is a classic of all classic.Ellis suggests the Death Penalty!

I bet that will deter suicide bombers!!

Some of the posts on here show that the terrorists have achieved exactly what they wanted.

I am no liberal apologist but some of the views on here are indeed shockingly racist eg using the term Muslim instead of Islamic terrorist!

The vast majority of Muslims live in perfect harmony with the rest of our community..I live near and visit Leicester regularly so observe this.

These disgusting extremist people are psychopathic killers who attach themselves to Islam to justify murdering children.

Muslims generally interpret their scriptures within the bounds of a modern 21 st century world as do most Christians.

How these disaffected individuals become radicalised to such an extent..I honestly don't know...bu t the man who shouted "Bro you are no Muslim" at a knife man tells us exactly how the Muslim community should view these people not as fellow Muslims more as 'losers'..well done Trump on this occasion.

Severe penalties for those on the 'known list' would prevent security services tracking the individuals to obtain the serious information and making mistakes imprisoning totally innocent people would encourage disaffection and make the situation worse.

Can the Muslim Community do more?..Personally I think yes..Contrary to what such as Kerravon believes I think many of these extremists are known to the community but there is a Muslim brotherhood which prevents them being turned in to the authorities..There is anecdotal evidence and evidence from surveys.

Muslim community leaders should let it be known that these extremists are NOT MUSLIMS and their God will not save them and reward them.

To me posts such as made by Ellis are indeed racist as he interchanges Muslims with Islamic terrorist as do others and that is wrong in every way and is racist.

I don't have too many answers to the situation but I greet Muslims with open arms but despise Islamic terrorists.

[harpo88]

The danger I suppose of killing or deporting anyone who's just a suspect is that that becomes a recruiting message for others and might lead to more threats.

The other question is if they are born in the UK, where do you deport them to? If their family has lived in the country for generations?

And although violent terrorism is immediately shocking and causes great distress and death and injury, it's not the biggest killer. Should we not be considering treating the same those who knowingly cause excessive air pollution (cited as killing thousands a year, VW cheating on their emissions declarations), or aggressively flogging products that cause heart disease and cancer (fast food, alcohol) (ok in this case you could say people choose to use those things but they know how to advertise to essentially make sure people buy lots of them.

[Ellis_D]

The danger I suppose of killing or deporting anyone who's just a suspect is that that becomes a recruiting message for others and might lead to more threats.

The other question is if they are born in the UK, where do you deport them to? If their family has lived in the country for generations?

And although violent terrorism is immediately shocking and causes great distress and death and injury, it's not the biggest killer. Should we not be considering treating the same those who knowingly cause excessive air pollution (cited as killing thousands a year, VW cheating on their emissions declarations), or aggressively flogging products that cause heart disease and cancer (fast food, alcohol) (ok in this case you could say people choose to use those things but they know how to advertise to essentially make sure people buy lots of them.

No, and it's a ridiculous thing to even suggest. It amazes me that anyone could even mention it, in all honesty. We all choose what we eat and drink and take those risks long term. That is called choice. No-one chooses to be murdered by a terrorist.

[harpo88]

You can't choose what air you breathe in.

People who sell guns don't kill people.

The thing is Ellis is that principle and precedent are important, not least as the basis of our legal system. So if you're advocating far stricter measures against one type of person who makes a choice that harms lots of people, would you not advocate that for others who do it in a different way? If you say that terrorism, or being even slightly or accidentally complicit in it, is a special case then you might well be right, but there's a question as to whether it should be.

[Ellis_D]

You can't choose what air you breathe in.

People who sell guns don't kill people.

The thing is Ellis is that principle and precedent are important, not least as the basis of our legal system. So if you're advocating far stricter measures against one type of person who makes a choice that harms lots of people, would you not advocate that for others who do it in a different way? If you say that terrorism, or being even slightly or accidentally complicit in it, is a special case then you might well be right, but there's a question as to whether it should be.

No, because again, people aren't purposely selling fuel in order to kill people.

Guns is a slightly different issue, but it's very difficult to purchase firearms in this country compared to most others. But again, although I disagree with the legal sale of firearms to any citizens, the people who sell them can quite clearly argue that they don't intend for anyone to kill someone with it. It can be a hobby, or for hunting, or any number of reasons.

And we are changing the subject matter slightly there anyway, because as you say, the people selling guns aren't purposely killing people.

Terrorists ARE trying to MURDER people. So it's a completely different ball game. Do I say lock up anyone where there is a clear danger they are going to try to murder multiple people? Yes. Because that is common sense.

Do I say lock up anyone for selling food, petrol or guns LEGALLY, then no I don't, as they aren't trying to murder people, and it isn't against the law. Again, simple common sense.

[Turfmoorspirit]

LOL..in a serious and respectful way of course at this time but here is a classic of all classic.Ellis suggests the Death Penalty!

I bet that will deter suicide bombers!!

Some of the posts on here show that the terrorists have achieved exactly what they wanted.

I am no liberal apologist but some of the views on here are indeed shockingly racist eg using the term Muslim instead of Islamic terrorist!

The vast majority of Muslims live in perfect harmony with the rest of our community..I live near and visit Leicester regularly so observe this.

These disgusting extremist people are psychopathic killers who attach themselves to Islam to justify murdering children.

Muslims generally interpret their scriptures within the bounds of a modern 21 st century world as do most Christians.

How these disaffected individuals become radicalised to such an extent..I honestly don't know...bu t the man who shouted "Bro you are no Muslim" at a knife man tells us exactly how the Muslim community should view these people not as fellow Muslims more as 'losers'..well done Trump on this occasion.

Severe penalties for those on the 'known list' would prevent security services tracking the individuals to obtain the serious information and making mistakes imprisoning totally innocent people would encourage disaffection and make the situation worse.

Can the Muslim Community do more?..Personally I think yes..Contrary to what such as Kerravon believes I think many of these extremists are known to the community but there is a Muslim brotherhood which prevents them being turned in to the authorities..There is anecdotal evidence and evidence from surveys.

Muslim community leaders should let it be known that these extremists are NOT MUSLIMS and their God will not save them and reward them.

To me posts such as made by Ellis are indeed racist as he interchanges Muslims with Islamic terrorist as do others and that is wrong in every way and is racist.

I don't have too many answers to the situation but I greet Muslims with open arms but despise Islamic terrorists.

Ellis is a realist not a racist..

[Ellis_D]

LOL..in a serious and respectful way of course at this time but here is a classic of all classic.Ellis suggests the Death Penalty!

I bet that will deter suicide bombers!!

Some of the posts on here show that the terrorists have achieved exactly what they wanted.

I am no liberal apologist but some of the views on here are indeed shockingly racist eg using the term Muslim instead of Islamic terrorist!

The vast majority of Muslims live in perfect harmony with the rest of our community..I live near and visit Leicester regularly so observe this.

These disgusting extremist people are psychopathic killers who attach themselves to Islam to justify murdering children.

Muslims generally interpret their scriptures within the bounds of a modern 21 st century world as do most Christians.

How these disaffected individuals become radicalised to such an extent..I honestly don't know...bu t the man who shouted "Bro you are no Muslim" at a knife man tells us exactly how the Muslim community should view these people not as fellow Muslims more as 'losers'..well done Trump on this occasion.

Severe penalties for those on the 'known list' would prevent security services tracking the individuals to obtain the serious information and making mistakes imprisoning totally innocent people would encourage disaffection and make the situation worse.

Can the Muslim Community do more?..Personally I think yes..Contrary to what such as Kerravon believes I think many of these extremists are known to the community but there is a Muslim brotherhood which prevents them being turned in to the authorities..There is anecdotal evidence and evidence from surveys.

Muslim community leaders should let it be known that these extremists are NOT MUSLIMS and their God will not save them and reward them.

To me posts such as made by Ellis are indeed racist as he interchanges Muslims with Islamic terrorist as do others and that is wrong in every way and is racist.

I don't have too many answers to the situation but I greet Muslims with open arms but despise Islamic terrorists.

Kempo, I give you the credit of being more intelligent than that, so you are just being obnoxious. If there are 4000 potential terrorists and we round them up and give them the death penalty, where exactly am I trying to suggest using that as a deterrent to would-be suicide bombers? If we killed them all BEFORE they killed lots of us, that would obviously prevent any terror attacks from them. As a doctor I would have thought you would have recognised that prevention is better than a cure!

Now show me ONE single post I have made which is racist? Where I have used the word Muslim rather than Islamic extremist, it is because I am talking about Muslims, not just the extremists. If I say that more Muslims in our country can only be a bad thing, I don't mean because ALL Muslims are extremists. But it is simple mathematics. The more Muslims who arrive here, the more terrorists will be here. That's very basic, even a young child can understand percentages.

So tell me, where have I been racist?

Tick tock as you say......

[Yak]

I know what let's all gather round holding hands and sing songs with our heads up our arses and say things like we stand together we're not scared they won't win.
Yep that should do it.
Or you can be honest like Ellis and a few others but oh no that's racist isn't it?
The attitude of some towards this issue is just staggering.

[Ellis_D]

I know what let's all gather round holding hands and sing songs with our heads up our arses and say things like we stand together we're not scared they won't win.
Yep that should do it.
Or you can be honest like Ellis and a few others but oh no that's racist isn't it?
The attitude of some towards this issue is just staggering.

Exactly mate. Praying, singing songs, holding vigils, a Love Manchester/Paris/Munich, etc, etc filter on Facebook, more pointless talking, it achieves NOTHING.

Action is required.

I trust and value our secret services and intelligence 100%, and we are now at critical level for the first time in over ten years. That's means we are in imminent danger of another attack. That's not just guessing. That's not just the powers-that-be trying to make us all scared, as some sick freaks have suggested. That is because they have information which leads them to believe another attack is being planned and is close to being executed.

The police have made raids and arrested a few. Let's arrest a few more. And let's stick two fingers up to their human rights. Because, and I know some people don't know enough about these things so they bleat on about "it's not all Muslims", "we can't tar an entire community with the same brush" and all the other sh!te, BECAUSE there is sound information that suggests these people could be planning terror attacks. That could be speaking to other known terrorists online, preaching hate and asking for terror attacks in our country, known links with other terrorists or they could be one of the 50,000 British Muslims who downloaded the ISIS terror manual! Yeah, that's quite a large minority of potential terrorists there isn't?!?!

[kempo]

Kempo, I give you the credit of being more intelligent than that, so you are just being obnoxious. If there are 4000 potential terrorists and we round them up and give them the death penalty, where exactly am I trying to suggest using that as a deterrent to would-be suicide bombers? If we killed them all BEFORE they killed lots of us, that would obviously prevent any terror attacks from them. As a doctor I would have thought you would have recognised that prevention is better than a cure!

Now show me ONE single post I have made which is racist? Where I have used the word Muslim rather than Islamic extremist, it is because I am talking about Muslims, not just the extremists. If I say that more Muslims in our country can only be a bad thing, I don't mean because ALL Muslims are extremists. But it is simple mathematics. The more Muslims who arrive here, the more terrorists will be here. That's very basic, even a young child can understand percentages.

So tell me, where have I been racist?

Tick tock as you say......

Let's get this straight.

If say there are 4000 people on the security services 'known' or 'watch' list you propose putting to death 4000 people!!

Please tell me I have misunderstood you!