O/T Tommy Robinson Speaks About Manchester Terror Attack

[Ellis_D]

I don't need to twist anything fella, you're doing just fine on yourself...

"*******s to the human rights" = going against everything this country has stood up and fought for, for thousands of people who've lost their lives fighting for those human rights against all comers, hitler included, i wonder how much'concrete evidence' Adolph needed...

As for those on the list, those you'd willingly kill by the way, yep, they're on the list for a reason, and the fact they're on a list suggests that our security forces have some kind of control on the matter, they've done a great job upto yet, aided no doubt by members of the muslim community, but you can ignore that can't you...

Your arguments are straight out of the playground, you really do need to take a broader outlook because the only naive bloke here is you and your cohorts...

If we had a public vote on this, should we, A. Deport any foreigners on the terror suspects list and imprison any British ones, thereby greatly reducing the chances of further terror attacks here or B. Continue to monitor them - our security forces do a great job and have stopped many terror attacks, but of course some slip through, just like the recent ones in London and Manchester.

I guarantee at least 80-90% of British people would vote for A. You keep deluding yourself otherwise but it's quite clear what the public opinion is, people are sick of it and want action.

[millmoormagic]

If we had a public vote on this, should we, A. Deport any foreigners on the terror suspects list and imprison any British ones, thereby greatly reducing the chances of further terror attacks here or B. Continue to monitor them - our security forces do a great job and have stopped many terror attacks, but of course some slip through, just like the recent ones in London and Manchester.

I guarantee at least 80-90% of British people would vote for A. You keep deluding yourself otherwise but it's quite clear what the public opinion is, people are sick of it and want action.

You often talk of people being brainwashed, and the irony is you're one of the most brainwashed, don't you worry, you're quite correct, you're not alone, there's many like you, all been fed anti this and anti that for years and years, i dare bet you cheered when the first bombs hit Bhagdad, cheered and clapped our armed forces for their bravery-lions led by donkeys...

Back to your vote, you see, you're basing your 80-90% on your group, your inner circle, all surfing the same websites, all talking the same bull, all believing their own crap, that's the truth.

Now, should we deport all foreigners on any suspect list....YES, OF COURSE WE SHOULD, NO BRAINER..

Should we imprison(intern) British ones who, let's face it, are innocent at this point...we've tried that, remember Northern Ireland, the IRA, internment galvanised them, gave their whole community more focus to fight us in whatever way they could....guess what process stopped the killing? mediation and negotiation...

If we do things your way Ellis, then you really can wave goodbye to peace.

[Ellis_D]

You often talk of people being brainwashed, and the irony is you're one of the most brainwashed, don't you worry, you're quite correct, you're not alone, there's many like you, all been fed anti this and anti that for years and years, i dare bet you cheered when the first bombs hit Bhagdad, cheered and clapped our armed forces for their bravery-lions led by donkeys...

Back to your vote, you see, you're basing your 80-90% on your group, your inner circle, all surfing the same websites, all talking the same bull, all believing their own crap, that's the truth.

Now, should we deport all foreigners on any suspect list....YES, OF COURSE WE SHOULD, NO BRAINER..

Should we imprison(intern) British ones who, let's face it, are innocent at this point...we've tried that, remember Northern Ireland, the IRA, internment galvanised them, gave their whole community more focus to fight us in whatever way they could....guess what process stopped the killing? mediation and negotiation...

If we do things your way Ellis, then you really can wave goodbye to peace.

You have me all wrong, fella. Well, at least partially wrong anyway. You have your stereotypes about me that are absolutely false. I am sure you feel I have stereotypes about you that are absolutely false too.

Hand on heart, I have NEVER cheered in my life when a bomb has been dropped on anywhere. I am always conscious of the innocent people that will be killed. I always also put myself in the shoes of the parents of a child killed by a bomb and how I would feel. You might not believe it, but I'm a caring person and I hate the thought of children anywhere suffering. Unfortunately, in war, I understand that bombs have to be dropped, innocents have to die, but I am never comfortable with it.

As for my vote, could do a poll on here. Rotherham is a left wing area that ALWAYS votes for Labour. Yet I bet the poll would still come out overwhelmingly in favour of A. And that's because, it's not an idea that's about right or left wing, it's about simple common sense. You saw a guy earlier on in the thread who has voted Labour all his life and yet he agrees with me, he is sick of it. So are most people. If they had a simple option to prevent things where no-one dies, I'm sure they would take it.

I'm glad you at least agree on the deporting foreigners on the terror suspect list, it is just simple common sense.

Now, finally, I really don't want to patronise you, but I know that you are more intelligent and more switched on than to genuinely compare the two, the situation with the IRA and ISIS.

The IRA had clear goals - they wanted a united Ireland and no British influence. Unfortunately for them, the Northern Irish people, by and large, wished to remain part of the United Kingdom. But we could at least negotiate with the IRA, it was clear they would get nowhere, a stalemate, too many deaths on each side. And despite apparently being Catholics who believed in Heaven and and a better afterlife, there weren't too many of them who actually wanted to die. Not many suicide missions.

ISIS, and indeed, every other Islamic terror organisation are completely different. They all devoutly believe in a better afterlife, so they don't mind suicide missions. ISIS don't just want western troops to leave their land. If only it were that simple. They want death to every infidel. Even death to every Muslim who doesn't follow the same kind of Islam as them, or who won't conform to their beliefs. Because they are so certain they are right and have the will of Allah, there can be no negotiating with ISIS. There can be no peace talks. They want world domination; you bow down and submit, convert to Islam, or you fall at the sword of Islam. It's naive to even believe that negotiating with ISIS could ever bring peace talks. There is only one thing they understand: violence. So we either give up and let them win, or we meet them head on and fight.

Now, to go over old ground again, would I want to seriously deport EVERY MUslim. NO. But I have said that would be the best way to ensure we are safe, not something that we could easily do, or would want to do. I am talking if we could wave a magic wand and every Muslim living here was moved to Muslim countries, the country would be safe from Islamic terrorism. Again, simple maths. No Muslims = no Islamic extremism.

But yes, there are many who have integrated into our society. Many who work hard, pay their taxes, abide by our laws. Many who do key jobs that we need doing, the NHS being the most obvious one.

Strictly speaking, I would expect Indian takeaways to be run by Indians, so Sikhs or Hindus. However, someone pointed out most are Pakistani Muslims in Rotherham. Well I don't live in a racially diverse area, so they might be Indians here. Either way, I don't care. It's by far my favourite food and I've got a madras on the way right now. So I don't want them fellas who are knocking up my tea to have to leave the country!

[millmoormagic]

You have me all wrong, fella. Well, at least partially wrong anyway. You have your stereotypes about me that are absolutely false. I am sure you feel I have stereotypes about you that are absolutely false too.

Hand on heart, I have NEVER cheered in my life when a bomb has been dropped on anywhere. I am always conscious of the innocent people that will be killed. I always also put myself in the shoes of the parents of a child killed by a bomb and how I would feel. You might not believe it, but I'm a caring person and I hate the thought of children anywhere suffering. Unfortunately, in war, I understand that bombs have to be dropped, innocents have to die, but I am never comfortable with it.

As for my vote, could do a poll on here. Rotherham is a left wing area that ALWAYS votes for Labour. Yet I bet the poll would still come out overwhelmingly in favour of A. And that's because, it's not an idea that's about right or left wing, it's about simple common sense. You saw a guy earlier on in the thread who has voted Labour all his life and yet he agrees with me, he is sick of it. So are most people. If they had a simple option to prevent things where no-one dies, I'm sure they would take it.

I'm glad you at least agree on the deporting foreigners on the terror suspect list, it is just simple common sense.

Now, finally, I really don't want to patronise you, but I know that you are more intelligent and more switched on than to genuinely compare the two, the situation with the IRA and ISIS.

The IRA had clear goals - they wanted a united Ireland and no British influence. Unfortunately for them, the Northern Irish people, by and large, wished to remain part of the United Kingdom. But we could at least negotiate with the IRA, it was clear they would get nowhere, a stalemate, too many deaths on each side. And despite apparently being Catholics who believed in Heaven and and a better afterlife, there weren't too many of them who actually wanted to die. Not many suicide missions.

ISIS, and indeed, every other Islamic terror organisation are completely different. They all devoutly believe in a better afterlife, so they don't mind suicide missions. ISIS don't just want western troops to leave their land. If only it were that simple. They want death to every infidel. Even death to every Muslim who doesn't follow the same kind of Islam as them, or who won't conform to their beliefs. Because they are so certain they are right and have the will of Allah, there can be no negotiating with ISIS. There can be no peace talks. They want world domination; you bow down and submit, convert to Islam, or you fall at the sword of Islam. It's naive to even believe that negotiating with ISIS could ever bring peace talks. There is only one thing they understand: violence. So we either give up and let them win, or we meet them head on and fight.

Now, to go over old ground again, would I want to seriously deport EVERY MUslim. NO. But I have said that would be the best way to ensure we are safe, not something that we could easily do, or would want to do. I am talking if we could wave a magic wand and every Muslim living here was moved to Muslim countries, the country would be safe from Islamic terrorism. Again, simple maths. No Muslims = no Islamic extremism.

But yes, there are many who have integrated into our society. Many who work hard, pay their taxes, abide by our laws. Many who do key jobs that we nee doing, the NHS being the most obvious one.

Strictly speaking, I would expect Indian takeaways to be run by Indians, so Sikhs or Hindus. However, someone pointed out most are Pakistani Muslims in Rotherham. Well I don't live in a racially diverse area, so they might be Indians here. Either way, I don't care. It's by far my favourite food and I've got a madras on the way right now. So I don't want them fellas who are knocking up my tea to have to leave the country!

This is the thing, you continue to talk of islamic domination etc etc, and don't get me wrong, we're both athiests, and i share your dislike of any religion, i also have some sympathy with your views about islamic fundamentalism, i facking hate em, but there is no magic wand, what i do now, is that ostracising that community further will only make things worse. To clarify what i think, if you could garauntee the guilt of any of these 4000 i'd gladly pull the trigger myself, but that's the point, you cannot, and in a civilised society we have to be better than murdering people, because they don't agree with us.

[Ellis_D]

This is the thing, you continue to talk of islamic domination etc etc, and don't get me wrong, we're both athiests, and i share your dislike of any religion, i also have some sympathy with your views about islamic fundamentalism, i facking hate em, but there is no magic wand, what i do now, is that ostracising that community further will only make things worse. To clarify what i think, if you could garauntee the guilt of any of these 4000 i'd gladly pull the trigger myself, but that's the point, you cannot, and in a civilised society we have to be better than murdering people, because they don't agree with us.

Having known links with terrorists, hate preaching or discussing potential terror attacks are all examples to me of being enough to deport or imprison. But we don't. We wait until we have concrete proof an attack may be imminent, then we arrest. Or, because we leave it too late, we completely miss people who are already on the terror suspects list, and then they attack, like in London and Manchester.

This scumbag the other day was known to have close links to terrorists. If he was being monitored properly, they would know he made recent trips to Libya, Syria and Germany. All that adds up to more than enough to arrest and indefinitely imprison to me. You might not agree. And that is the problem, neither do our liberal politicians. (I know you will have a wry smile or a big laugh at the thought of the Tories being liberals, but on this matter, they are FAR too left wing.)

[millmoormagic]

Having known links with terrorists, hate preaching or discussing potential terror attacks are all examples to me of being enough to deport or imprison. But we don't. We wait until we have concrete proof an attack may be imminent, then we arrest. Or, because we leave it too late, we completely miss people who are already on the terror suspects list, and then they attack, like in London and Manchester.

This scumbag the other day was known to have close links to terrorists. If he was being monitored properly, they would know he made recent trips to Libya, Syria and Germany. All that adds up to more than enough to arrest and indefinitely imprison to me. You might not agree. And that is the problem, neither do our liberal politicians. (I know you will have a wry smile or a big laugh at the thought of the Tories being liberals, but on this matter, they are FAR too left wing.)

Yep, big wry smile, because you show your naivety in posting such, i've read most of your posts over the years and you really should learn about politics, i don't blame you, you've just never had the education in politics have you, you've only started to take note when grabbed by a populist headline, maybe from a mate, a fellow football fan etc etc the trick is to see stuff from all sides, i get your dislike of Labour, because i'm guessing that Blairs labour gov't was the one in power when you touched on politics, but to state that a tory gov't is left wing.......you're perception of left wing is way off mark fella, way off mark.

[Ellis_D]

Yep, big wry smile, because you show your naivety in posting such, i've read most of your posts over the years and you really should learn about politics, i don't blame you, you've just never had the education in politics have you, you've only started to take note when grabbed by a populist headline, maybe from a mate, a fellow football fan etc etc the trick is to see stuff from all sides, i get your dislike of Labour, because i'm guessing that Blairs labour gov't was the one in power when you touched on politics, but to state that a tory gov't is left wing.......you're perception of left wing is way off mark fella, way off mark.

You are guessing incorrectly again, and also missing key parts of my post.

Although you are correct re: Blair's government. I'm 33, so I can only remember John Major being in power, but my only perception of him at the time, was a really boring, goggle eyed old man.........

Anyway, you are purposely or accidentally missing key points. Do I class this Tory government as left wing? Of course not. I think they have been absolutely ruthless with their attacks on the poor, the disabled, the unemployed, the working classes, single mums, pensioners....... I think they are vile and and clearly right wing........

But I said, they are far too left wing when it comes to Islamic extremism, crime and punishment, and immigration. Those are the only things I am right wing on, and to some extent, far right. But that's only because I want harsh punishments for criminals, take no chances with potential terrorists and to only allow immigration into our country that benefits us. A points system or similar.

And you say to see stuff from all sides. Iread ONE newspaper every day, The Mirror. I also regularly read The Guardian online. I love to get angles from all sides. In fact, a lot of the time, reading the absolute bullsh1t in The Mirror only reinforces my view that my politics are just realism.

[great_fire]

Strictly speaking, I would expect Indian takeaways to be run by Indians, so Sikhs or Hindus. However, someone pointed out most are Pakistani Muslims in Rotherham. Well I don't live in a racially diverse area, so they might be Indians here. Either way, I don't care. It's by far my favourite food and I've got a madras on the way right now. So I don't want them fellas who are knocking up my tea to have to leave the country!

Most Indian takeaways in this country are run by Bangladeshis and always have been, Pakistanis run second most and actual Indians in distant third place.

You should learn to do your own curries Ellis, I can't knock up ones as good as they make at home but can beat most restaurants and takeaways, plus I know what's going in them.

[millmoormagic]

Let's face it, there aint many takeaways that purport to be Indian, that's just us being lazy in tagging them as such, what's the issue.is there an issue? i don't think so unless you're great_fire who is just a sad individual unable to accept anything other than a St George's flag...pathetic.

[great_fire]

Let's face it, there aint many takeaways that purport to be Indian, that's just us being lazy in tagging them as such, what's the issue.is there an issue? i don't think so unless you're great_fire who is just a sad individual unable to accept anything other than a St George's flag...pathetic.

You do talk some nonsense.

You said May was my darling the other day when I can't stand her.

And no, it's the Bangladeshis who call their restaurants Indian, nothing to do with us "being lazy".

Clueless.