O/T Tommy Robinson Speaks About Manchester Terror Attack

[KerrAvon]

How can you discuss sensibly with people who insult you and argue that spotting someone who is more likely to be a Muslim than someone else is impossible ...the stance is just ridiculous.

Kerravon disgracefully seems to deny the evidence that in the Rotherham abuse scandal that political correctness related to ethnicity was a significant factor!

There are pages of evidence clearly stated in the Jay report and the Casey report.

Obviously MMMAGIC and Kerr are just turning to insults now so I will leave them to it.

kempo, here’s a link to a download of the Jay report:

http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/download...e_in_rotherham

The report confirms at paragraphs 8.1 and 8.2 and again in describing another report at 10.2 that the primary failure of the police was to fail to recognise the abuse for what it was.

Chapter 11 is entitled ‘Issues of Ethnicity’. The chapter summary includes: Within the Council, we found no evidence of children’s social care staff being influenced by concerns about the ethnic origins of suspected perpetrators when dealing with individual child protection cases, including CSE. To fair to you, it continues: In the broader organisational context, however, there was a widespread perception that messages conveyed by some senior people in the Council and also the Police, were to 'downplay' the ethnic dimensions of CSE. Unsurprisingly, frontline staff appeared to be confused as to what they were supposed to say and do and what would be interpreted as 'racist'. From a political perspective, the approach of avoiding public discussion of the issues was ill judged.

I agree that avoiding public discussion was ill judged. I also agree with Professor Jay at paragraph 11.2 that there is no simple link between race and child ***ual exploitation

Interestingly, paragraph 11.16 explodes one of the claims that is often made in these threads where it states one of these myths was that only white girls are victims of ***ual exploitation by Asian or Muslim males, as if these men only abuse outside of their own community, driven by hatred and contempt for white females. This belief flies in the face of evidence that shows that those who violate children are most likely to target those who are closest to them and most easily accessible.'

Perhaps you’d care to draw my attention to a passage that supports your original proposition that It was this fear of investigating Muslims that allowed the Rotherham abuse to continue for so long ?

I confess that I have never read Casey, but will do so and come back to you (but not today, because it’s a bank holiday and I have better things to do with my time).

[kempo]

kempo, here’s a link to a download of the Jay report:

http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/download...e_in_rotherham

The report confirms at paragraphs 8.1 and 8.2 and again in describing another report at 10.2 that the primary failure of the police was to fail to recognise the abuse for what it was.

Chapter 11 is entitled ‘Issues of Ethnicity’. The chapter summary includes: Within the Council, we found no evidence of children’s social care staff being influenced by concerns about the ethnic origins of suspected perpetrators when dealing with individual child protection cases, including CSE. To fair to you, it continues: In the broader organisational context, however, there was a widespread perception that messages conveyed by some senior people in the Council and also the Police, were to 'downplay' the ethnic dimensions of CSE. Unsurprisingly, frontline staff appeared to be confused as to what they were supposed to say and do and what would be interpreted as 'racist'. From a political perspective, the approach of avoiding public discussion of the issues was ill judged.

I agree that avoiding public discussion was ill judged. I also agree with Professor Jay at paragraph 11.2 that there is no simple link between race and child ***ual exploitation

Interestingly, paragraph 11.16 explodes one of the claims that is often made in these threads where it states one of these myths was that only white girls are victims of ***ual exploitation by Asian or Muslim males, as if these men only abuse outside of their own community, driven by hatred and contempt for white females. This belief flies in the face of evidence that shows that those who violate children are most likely to target those who are closest to them and most easily accessible.'

Perhaps you’d care to draw my attention to a passage that supports your original proposition that It was this fear of investigating Muslims that allowed the Rotherham abuse to continue for so long ?

I confess that I have never read Casey, but will do so and come back to you (but not today, because it’s a bank holiday and I have better things to do with my time).

I will draw your attention to an excellent article by Allott and Allott which summarises and picks out conclusions from both the Jay report and Casey reports entitled Lessons of Rotherham with a heading...Political correctness played a MAJOR role in a shocking ***ual abuse scandal.

[John2]

I will draw your attention to an excellent article by Allott and Allott which summarises and picks out conclusions from both the Jay report and Casey reports entitled Lessons of Rotherham with a heading...Political correctness played a MAJOR role in a shocking ***ual abuse scandal.

So instead of independently comissioned British reports, you prefer articles from the National Review, an American conservative magazine?

It certainly picks out bits. Cherry picks to suit its narrative.

[monty_rhodes]

Some of the views on integration and the "hug a Muslim" nonsense spouted on here are very wide of the mark. Iram Ramzan, a Manchester journlaist and female Muslim, wrote in the Sunday Times (p.10). After pointing out that many of the so-called moderate Muslim spokespeople wheeled out by the BBC and other media are people "...who have supported blasphemy laws in Pakistan and whose organisations have played host to extremist preachers" and that she was taught that going to concerts and listening to music were wrong and forbidden she stated "...these views are considered mainstream, not necessarily extreme." She concluded, "...I get frustrated when people simply blame British foreign policy for creating terrorists... These people simply hate this 'heathen lifestyle."
There you have it. There is a widely-held contempt in the UK Muslim community for aspects of Western lifestyle, these views are mainstream and these views are encouraging acts of Islamic violence.

[kempo]

So instead of independently comissioned British reports, you prefer articles from the National Review, an American conservative magazine?

It certainly picks out bits. Cherry picks to suit its narrative.

Predictable response from you.

Denying the link between political correctness, fear of reporting problems in a group of a particular ethnicity and failure to act in the Rotherham child abuse is frankly shocking.

The evidence has been presented and you choose to close your eyes to it and make your usual smart ar..se comments.

Every report I have seen has mentioned this as a factor.

I feel rather sad for the child victims when people like yourself try and promote this denial of the facts.

[John2]

Show me where I denied anything? There were many factors.

I'm merely showing that you are selective with your sources when other people provide credible resources at odds with your position.

[kempo]

Show me where I denied anything? There were many factors.

I'm merely showing that you are selective with your sources when other people provide credible resources at odds with your position.

This post explains how you behave on here perfectly.

I am pleased that you now seem to actually agree with my post but just want to maintain your usual awkward and belligerent stance.

[KerrAvon]

I will draw your attention to an excellent article by Allott and Allott which summarises and picks out conclusions from both the Jay report and Casey reports entitled Lessons of Rotherham with a heading...Political correctness played a MAJOR role in a shocking ***ual abuse scandal.

kempo, as I said I would, I've read Louise Casey's review of Rotherham Council. Unlike Professor Jay, she does link an unwilligness to discuss issues of ethnicity with the contiunation of the abuse in a single paragraph: Rotherham’s suppression of these uncomfortable issues and its fear of being branded racist has done a disservice to the Pakistani heritage community as well as the wider community. It has prevented discussion and effective action to tackle the problem. This has allowed perpetrators to remain at large, has let victims down, and perversely, has allowed the far right to try and exploit the situation. These may have been unintended consequences but the impact remains the same and reaches into the present day.

Within the chapter headed 'Where were the Police?', the question of the ethnicity of the majority of offenders is not addressed, with the focus being on the failure of the police to recognise abuse for what it was. It's a particularly disturbing section with one officer being quoted as saying: “The girls were blamed for a lot of what happened. It’s unbelievable and key to why it wasn’t taken seriously as an issue” and another person being quoted as telling the inspection: “There was no awareness. The view was that they were little slags.”

I agree with John2 that the article that you decsribe is a poor source, coming, as it does, from an American neo-con site. It's like looking on the EDL website for objective view on the subject. As I mentioned, it's a bit disturbing that some of the quotes in the article that purport to come from Casey don't actually appear in her report.