O/T Tommy Robinson Speaks About Manchester Terror Attack

[millmoormagic]

I have just watched the interview, and it's typical Piers Morgan. Shouting over his guests, loving the sound of his voice way too much, poor Susanna trying to get a word in and him speaking over her.

The ONLY thing that I have ever seen Tommy say that was out of order (and I have seen hundreds of his videos) was surprise, surprise, the only video they showed of him. In it, he seems to blame all Muslims for 7/7, and that's wrong. See - like I always say, I am fair, I don't lie, Tommy was out of order and wrong to say that.

But he has already apologised for that several times and said he was wrong. In all other instances he makes the distinction between Muslims and Muslim extremists. I think anyone should be allowed one mistake. It's not like there aren't any politicians who haven't made mistakes is it? Or Piers Morgan inciting hate against British soldiers by spreading lies in his newspaper.

Piers Morgan works for the Daily Fail - and they were the FIRST ones to point to the fact that Finsbury park mosque had a long history of radicalising people, but Piers didn't want to talk about that. I wonder why. He's alright slandering Tommy, but he keeps his mouth shut when it comes to the hand that feeds him, complete hypocrite with no morals.

He knows nothing about the life of Muhammad, as became clear in the interview, and he refuses to accept that the verses in the Qur'an are the very thing that inspires the Islamic terrorists in the first place. And this is why the problem won't go away, until idiots like Piers Morgan accept that when there are verses in the Qur'an calling for Muslims to kill non-Muslims, and then when some Muslims become radicalised and kill people, and say they did it because it is Allah's instructions, and it is their Holy Jihad, people accept it for what it is.

THEN, and only THEN can we stop the far right from brainwashing people to hate all Muslims, and make sure there are no more attacks like the other night. We NEED the moderate Muslims, and the moderate non-Muslims to all accept that it IS verses in the Qur'an that led to the extremists committing terror attacks.

Now we're getting to the nub of things, Piers Morgan is a muppet who likes to bully folk, so is your Tommy, two peas in a pod, Morgan writes for the daily fail doesn't edit it so has no control on that side, i'm with you though, the rag should be consigned to the bin, and he's is indeed the worst kind of bloke, a hypocritical no mark.

Let's get things straight, i know of no one who doesn't want an end to Islamic extremism, whether they be left/right/centre, fact, the differences are how you go about stopping it. What you are not realising is that Tommy is part of the problem, alongside many other right wing nut jobs, they're actually feeding the extremism. I totally understand the anger, the frustration, the absolute willingness to get something done about it, but demonising a whole religion is not the way, can not ever be so. Listen, i'm what you'd call left wing i guess, and i'm supposed to be a wishy washy tree hugger, in the eyes of the nutjobs like Tommy, but i'd willingly pull the trigger on jihadists, but you just cannot, in a civilised society, do that, can you?
The only answer is inclusion and education, for ALL our people, you, me, christian.muslim, athiest etc etc, we have a chance to create a country that takes away the hatred that these folk obviously have, don't get me wrong, extremism means exactly that, there will always be folk that take religious teachings to the Nth degree, and we should do everything we can to rout them, you've said yoursef, some muslims become radicalised, like some christians do, like some hindu's do, like some sikh's do....we can sort this, we just need to be strong, and stop thinking that constatly demonising a whole community will actually help anyone.

[Ellis_D]

Now we're getting to the nub of things, Piers Morgan is a muppet who likes to bully folk, so is your Tommy, two peas in a pod, Morgan writes for the daily fail doesn't edit it so has no control on that side, i'm with you though, the rag should be consigned to the bin, and he's is indeed the worst kind of bloke, a hypocritical no mark.

Let's get things straight, i know of no one who doesn't want an end to Islamic extremism, whether they be left/right/centre, fact, the differences are how you go about stopping it. What you are not realising is that Tommy is part of the problem, alongside many other right wing nut jobs, they're actually feeding the extremism. I totally understand the anger, the frustration, the absolute willingness to get something done about it, but demonising a whole religion is not the way, can not ever be so. Listen, i'm what you'd call left wing i guess, and i'm supposed to be a wishy washy tree hugger, in the eyes of the nutjobs like Tommy, but i'd willingly pull the trigger on jihadists, but you just cannot, in a civilised society, do that, can you?
The only answer is inclusion and education, for ALL our people, you, me, christian.muslim, athiest etc etc, we have a chance to create a country that takes away the hatred that these folk obviously have, don't get me wrong, extremism means exactly that, there will always be folk that take religious teachings to the Nth degree, and we should do everything we can to rout them, you've said yoursef, some muslims become radicalised, like some christians do, like some hindu's do, like some sikh's do....we can sort this, we just need to be strong, and stop thinking that constatly demonising a whole community will actually help anyone.

Do you know, millmoor, I almost agree with you 100%. About Piers Morgan, I agree that all sane, rational, peaceful people of any political persuasion, race or religion want an end to Islamic extremism - and we can add far right extremism to that aswell.

I agree that I would like to to just shoot or hang the extremists, but in the civilised society we live in, you can't do it.

And I agree more than anything about education and inclusion being the best way to sort this mess out. Although that is long term, we need to do something short term to limit the terrorism.

The only thing I disagree on (other than Tommy being just like Morgan, but that's your opinion so I won't argue it), is the demonising of a whole community. I don't think that is happening. Yes, you get your racist idiots who just don't like brown people, you get your bigots who just want to attack Muslims. But they are few and far between. Although I accept there IS more of a.... What's the correct word? Dislike, mistrust, of Muslims, an anger towards them. But that is because of the actions of their fellow Muslims. The far right would not be able to have so many people concerned about the Muslim community were it not for things like terrorism and grooming gangs.

But that doesn't mean the whole community is being demonised by the majority of the population. Because I believe most of us realise it's not all Muslims. I must again repeat, though, that the lies told in the media, by politicians and by moderate Muslims that the extremists are NOT REAL Muslims does not help at all, it makes the situation far worse.

[Ellis_D]

On a separate note, I saw a video earlier of the terrorist being held down by some Muslims. Those Muslims should undoubtedly be commended. Some other Muslims were kicking him and trying to hit him., and three or four were stopping them, whilst also pinning him down for the police to sort out.

That is, of course, the correct action to take if we believe in law and order. Those Muslims clearly abide by our laws, and I love them for that.

Because they have just witnessed their friends and maybe even family members being run over by a nutjob terrorist. It takes a lot of restraint to not want to kick the bloke's head off his shoulders for that. I would have wanted to had I been there. Some of the men there did. But the ones holding him down and ensuring he wasn't attacked saved his life, and also saved their friends from jail because some would have wanted to beat him to death, and I can't blame them to be honest.

[ragingpup]

On a separate note, I saw a video earlier of the terrorist being held down by some Muslims. Those Muslims should undoubtedly be commended. Some other Muslims were kicking him and trying to hit him., and three or four were stopping them, whilst also pinning him down for the police to sort out.

That is, of course, the correct action to take if we believe in law and order. Those Muslims clearly abide by our laws, and I love them for that.

Because they have just witnessed their friends and maybe even family members being run over by a nutjob terrorist. It takes a lot of restraint to not want to kick the bloke's head off his shoulders for that. I would have wanted to had I been there. Some of the men there did. But the ones holding him down and ensuring he wasn't attacked saved his life, and also saved their friends from jail because some would have wanted to beat him to death, and I can't blame them to be honest.

Well said here Ellis. Agree 100%

[ragingpup]

Islamophobic attacks in Manchester surge by 500% after arena attack

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...e-arena-attack


This is what happens when we openly pursue simplistic reactionary agendas.

If you say that Islam is the root problem, you are directly implying that anyone who follows that religion is part of the problem, including the vast majority of peaceful Muslims.

Consequently, people are acting out racially motivated acts on random Muslims.

As a result, a minority of the Muslim community, threatened by these attacks look to other sources for belonging, that sympathises with their fear and offers them bloody options, vengeance.

As discussed earlier: to blame Islam as a religion, the text, is to generalise the blame to all people who follow that religion and therefore to make them legitimate targets for our own lunatics. If you spread that nonsense around, you are part of the vicious cycle of which we are part.

But most frustratingly of all, it is a completely pointless assertion: you can cry that the Quar'an is the problem, that Islam is to blame, you can take it into TV debates and wave it around but as I asked earlier (to which no one replied with an answer): what are you suggesting that we DO about it? Ban a religion? Ban the book? Ban the idea? erase it from people's heads and hearts?

We need practical, logical and sensible ideas, things that work. Some good ones have been proposed by various people on here, and we need to collectively run with those. But this continual shouting against an entire religion with no actual follow up proposal of cohesive action only leads to the actions of this report.

Giving Isis EXACTLY what they want.

[ragingpup]

Now we're getting to the nub of things, Piers Morgan is a muppet who likes to bully folk, so is your Tommy, two peas in a pod, Morgan writes for the daily fail doesn't edit it so has no control on that side, i'm with you though, the rag should be consigned to the bin, and he's is indeed the worst kind of bloke, a hypocritical no mark.

Let's get things straight, i know of no one who doesn't want an end to Islamic extremism, whether they be left/right/centre, fact, the differences are how you go about stopping it. What you are not realising is that Tommy is part of the problem, alongside many other right wing nut jobs, they're actually feeding the extremism. I totally understand the anger, the frustration, the absolute willingness to get something done about it, but demonising a whole religion is not the way, can not ever be so. Listen, i'm what you'd call left wing i guess, and i'm supposed to be a wishy washy tree hugger, in the eyes of the nutjobs like Tommy, but i'd willingly pull the trigger on jihadists, but you just cannot, in a civilised society, do that, can you?
The only answer is inclusion and education, for ALL our people, you, me, christian.muslim, athiest etc etc, we have a chance to create a country that takes away the hatred that these folk obviously have, don't get me wrong, extremism means exactly that, there will always be folk that take religious teachings to the Nth degree, and we should do everything we can to rout them, you've said yoursef, some muslims become radicalised, like some christians do, like some hindu's do, like some sikh's do....we can sort this, we just need to be strong, and stop thinking that constatly demonising a whole community will actually help anyone.

Completely agree with this. As I've said before, and Piers says in the interview, Tommy has some good points and could use his experience as part of a holistic approach to redusing and ending the problem.

But calling the problem "Islam" as you say is a huge backwards step and plays right into Isis's dirty hands. He says EXACTLY what they would want an influential indigenous person to say. All my workmates and friends, all peaceful, law abiding (can't believe I have to even say this knowing them as well as I do!) people who have integrated into our society. But they believe in Islam. Just as Christians do, although it is fair to say that we have amended most of the gory details in transition from old to new testaments. But an extremist won't be interested in a 'new' version of their faith. They are...extremists, far removed from thought that is rational. My Muslim friends, as well as the vast majority of the faith are able to take their own more positive, peaceful and loving parts of their sacred text and live their lives accordingly. Somebody waving their 'holy text' around saying "this is the problem", "this must be banned", "the problem is with Islam" can only serve to alienate peace loving Muslims and push the more susceptible ones further into the arms of Isis.

Surely, our movement should be focused on terrorists, people who use this text as a reason or excuse to carry out their hateful actions.

I'm afraid, on watching the video (yes Morgan is an a*se we all know that), the bottom line is that Robinson is fueling the Isis cause and as a result putting our people just that little bit more at risk as more recruits are gained.