O/T Sarah Champion

[ragingpup]

ragingpup thank you for the stats, but they only back up my post.

A couple of points:

1. 50% of grooming gangs were ALL asian. Thats something to be proud of.

2. A caveat on the stats given was that " children from minority ethnic backgrounds might be less likely to report abuse " so the TRUE figure could be much much larger.

Who's going to try spinning this one, you or brass ?

Not really interested in spinning the facts that we do have, Slim. More interested in trying to find actual facts and trying to question people peddling non facts.

1. Being 'proud' of 'only' or as many as 50% doesn't come into it. As I said, Asian people are over represented in that figure. But clearly, some people think that the % is actually higher, and seem to be putting over that its exclusively an Asian/Muslim activity. This clearly, from independent studies of the crime stats isn't the case. But it's still indicating a significant problem within that community that needs honest discussion, which Champion tried (hamfistedly) to initiate. Did you also note that both independent studies placed the gang grooming issue within the context of rape as a whole. Fullfact went onto to note the other form (type 1 was it) which consisted of groups preying on children securely but with long standing ***ual interests in children (as opposed to the type 2 discussed above). They found that in this type of organised abuse, the criminals were 100% white male. It's not a case of being 'proud', or 'ashamed' of these facts, they are the closest we have to facts on the issue.

2) I think the point of children from ethnic backgrounds being less likely to report abuse was more aimed at questioning that groups of ethnic males were targeting white only girls,not suggesting (as you say) that it could mean more Asian rapists. Sorry but your interpretation here sounds more like spin than anything I could attempt! I'm fact, Sarah Wilson, who has more right to be bitter about these criminals has stressed that it is not an 'Asian only' issue.

I stress persistently that I agree that is an issue that needs action, but action from a factual basis and free from generalising or scape goating.

[Slimchance]

Not really interested in spinning the facts that we do have, Slim. More interested in trying to find actual facts and trying to question people peddling non facts.

1. Being 'proud' of 'only' or as many as 50% doesn't come into it. As I said, Asian people are over represented in that figure. But clearly, some people think that the % is actually higher, and seem to be putting over that its exclusively an Asian/Muslim activity. This clearly, from independent studies of the crime stats isn't the case. But it's still indicating a significant problem within that community that needs honest discussion, which Champion tried (hamfistedly) to initiate. Did you also note that both independent studies placed the gang grooming issue within the context of rape as a whole. Fullfact went onto to note the other form (type 1 was it) which consisted of groups preying on children securely but with long standing ***ual interests in children (as opposed to the type 2 discussed above). They found that in this type of organised abuse, the criminals were 100% white male. It's not a case of being 'proud', or 'ashamed' of these facts, they are the closest we have to facts on the issue.

2) I think the point of children from ethnic backgrounds being less likely to report abuse was more aimed at questioning that groups of ethnic males were targeting white only girls,not suggesting (as you say) that it could mean more Asian rapists. Sorry but your interpretation here sounds more like spin than anything I could attempt! I'm fact, Sarah Wilson, who has more right to be bitter about these criminals has stressed that it is not an 'Asian only' issue.

I stress persistently that I agree that is an issue that needs action, but action from a factual basis and free from generalising or scape goating.

Try contacting Mr Trump he requires a good PR person