Breaking News - New Stadium and Training Facilities

[stansmith]

All the info is in link below. Everything is on coonsil website. Pittodrie, AECC old and new sites, Bellfield at kingswells, Calder park, Loirston loch and Kings links. Reasons why they have been ruled out are also given.

https://publicaccess.aberdeencity.go...st-1539445.pdf

Pittodrie

• Site not large enough for stadium and associated infrastructure
  
  No evidence of this
  
  
• Needs larger pitch for UEFA. Main stand not suitable for redevelopment
  
  Doesn't mean anything
  
  
• Lack of dedicated facilities for Community Trust
  
  If they're not built then yes
  
  
• No scope to provide required adjacent training facilities
  
  Not required
  
  
• No scope for additional facilities for visitors such as museum and cafe
  
  What? There is if they're built
  
  
• Stadium capacity would be 12,000
  
  No it wouldn't. The club's idea of what one would look like would be. No evidence of this or the costs
  
  
• Stadium surrounded by residential area and redevelopment would be clear conflict
  
  Unmitigated rubbish
  

Loirston

• No longer deliverable due to lack of land for training facilities and parking
  
  Site is 3 times the size of Pittodrie and a stadium, parking and perhaps even a community trust type pitch could be done on this.
  

King's Links (driving range and adjacent cricket pitch)

• Loss of leisure facility (golfing)
  
  Relocate or compensate them. It's owned by Craig Group who are friends of Milne
  
  
• Higher construction costs
  
  By a few million. Not unsurmountable
  
  
• Too small
  
  Again, only for training facilities
  
  
• *Long excuse about it not being allocated for development in the current LDP*
  
  You couldn't make it up
  
  

[phuxachemin]

if rejected by the council I wonder if the Scottish Goverment will stick their noses in like they did for Trump.

[fatshaft]

Pittodrie
[*]Loss of leisure facility (golfing)

Relocate or compensate them. It's owned by Craig Group who are friends of Milne


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The golf course has nothing to do with the driving range, it's a municipal facility.

[gooby]

Pittodrie

• Site not large enough for stadium and associated infrastructure
  
  No evidence of this
  
  
• Needs larger pitch for UEFA. Main stand not suitable for redevelopment
  
  Doesn't mean anything
  
  
• Lack of dedicated facilities for Community Trust
  
  If they're not built then yes
  
  
• No scope to provide required adjacent training facilities
  
  Not required
  
  
• No scope for additional facilities for visitors such as museum and cafe
  
  What? There is if they're built
  
  
• Stadium capacity would be 12,000
  
  No it wouldn't. The club's idea of what one would look like would be. No evidence of this or the costs
  
  
• Stadium surrounded by residential area and redevelopment would be clear conflict
  
  Unmitigated rubbish
  

architects

• No longer deliverable due to lack of land for training facilities and parking
  
  Site is 3 times the size of Pittodrie and a stadium, parking and perhaps even a community trust type pitch could be done on this.
  

King's Links (driving range and adjacent cricket pitch)

• Loss of leisure facility (golfing)
  
  Relocate or compensate them. It's owned by Craig Group who are friends of Milne
  
  
• Higher construction costs
  
  By a few million. Not unsurmountable
  
  
• Too small
  
  Again, only for training facilities
  
  
• *Long excuse about it not being allocated for development in the current LDP*
  
  You couldn't make it up
  
  

The surveys and feasibility studies were carried out by qualified architects and planners with a knowledge of current building and planning regulations. It has also been used as an official document in a legal planning process.

I get the impression that you seem fairly certain the club are taking us all for a ride?
Do you seriously think that AFC and the firms involved with carrying out all the feasibility studies would submit false documentation, lies and propaganda as part of an official planning application?

I am fairly sure they will have documentation to back up their studies and findings as the planners will scrutinize everything in the planning application and are qualified to know if what they are saying is true or not.

Where is your evidence to back up your claim that the club is telling lies?
Remember you need to consider planning laws from 2017 and what the current scottish planning laws are now, not 20/30 years ago.

[DonVincenzo (The II)]

@stansmith

you have all the ƒucking answers they have been looking for in the last 10 years.

You are da man!!
ƒuck me, you have single handedly provided AFC, land surveyors, lawyers, quantity surveyors and town planners their entire ar5ehole and every sh1t they and their families have ever done on a massive ƒucking plate.

Congrats.

Now ƒuck off quietly please.

[Mek]

Wasnt Loirston deemed unviable because a critical strip of land that was required for access was refused or sold to someone else (due to some hatred between the owner and Milne/AFC?) and developed?

Therefore there would have been no road access on to the site.

Stansmith you are so obviously a no to kingsford troll you should just stop commenting on this site. No amount of your unqualified *******s will change minds. The current plans for Kingsford are, at the moment, the best shot at a decent, viable and useful community stadium for our club.

[afc1903mad]

@stansmith

you have all the ƒucking answers they have been looking for in the last 10 years.

You are da man!!
ƒuck me, you have single handedly provided AFC, land surveyors, lawyers, quantity surveyors and town planners their entire ar5ehole and every sh1t they and their families have ever done on a massive ƒucking plate.

Congrats.

Now ƒuck off quietly please.

[stansmith]

The surveys and feasibility studies were carried out by qualified architects and planners with a knowledge of current building and planning regulations. It has also been used as an official document in a legal planning process.

I get the impression that you seem fairly certain the club are taking us all for a ride?
Do you seriously think that AFC and the firms involved with carrying out all the feasibility studies would submit false documentation, lies and propaganda as part of an official planning application?

I am fairly sure they will have documentation to back up their studies and findings as the planners will scrutinize everything in the planning application and are qualified to know if what they are saying is true or not.

Where is your evidence to back up your claim that the club is telling lies?
Remember you need to consider planning laws from 2017 and what the current scottish planning laws are now, not 20/30 years ago.

It's very simple that the answer is not 12,000.

The RDS holds about 6,200.

One new very basic stand along the south, with the pitch in any location and size, would hold 6000+ with modern regulations. So with only 2 stands it's over 12,000, with nothing at the merkland end or main side.

I contacted the club/Aurora as they asked to do if we had any questions and they said 12,000 was the capacity for a top guidelines (not legally necessary) enclosed stadium.

They couldn't tell me anything more than that, such as what was the maximum capacity actually possible with different designs and heights. Why wouldn't we be working out how many seats (or not seats ) can physically face the pitch under any kind of design?

The council said many years ago after a failed attempt they would help with any issues around Pittodrie, such as roads and surrounding buildings. The club have not even tried to submit plans for it or seek help from the council. The pathetic reasons about it being in residential area and it would be in conflict, shows exactly how much interest the club have in Pittodrie.

@stansmith

you have all the ƒucking answers they have been looking for in the last 10 years.

You are da man!!
ƒuck me, you have single handedly provided AFC, land surveyors, lawyers, quantity surveyors and town planners their entire ar5ehole and every sh1t they and their families have ever done on a massive ƒucking plate.

Congrats.

Now ƒuck off quietly please.

No, I've just looked at something objectively, and pointed out the same as the strategic planning authority did.

ƒuck me, use your brain.

Wasnt Loirston deemed unviable because a critical strip of land that was required for access was refused or sold to someone else (due to some hatred between the owner and Milne/AFC?) and developed?

Therefore there would have been no road access on to the site.

Stansmith you are so obviously a no to kingsford troll you should just stop commenting on this site. No amount of your unqualified *******s will change minds. The current plans for Kingsford are, at the moment, the best shot at a decent, viable and useful community stadium for our club.

It's not critical, there were other options, and there is nothing about that said by AFC in reasons against it.

Funny how many of you think true Aberdeen fans who actually look at information and don't support a move to a tory suburb 6 miles from town are No Kingsford trolls / 'Westhilliers' That is the real reason many support this, because people oppose it. Something to rally round and be a part of.

[gooby]

-run off area of 5 meters required behind goals and at side of pitch for UEFA requirements
-pitch size
- You need the same space behind the stand on private land as there is in it(required in a new build stand for safe evacuation in the event of an emergency)
- Emergency services need to be able to go right around the stadium(required in a new build and currently not at pittodrie)
- You can't build higher than the stands currently are (basic planning criteria)

[notinmyname]

Funny how many of you think true Aberdeen fans who actually look at information and don't support a move to a tory suburb 6 miles from town are No Kingsford trolls / 'Westhilliers' That is the real reason many support this, because people oppose it. Something to rally round and be a part of.

...weird. Ok...

* the post above containing a link to the *planning document* isn't valid information? Or are "true fans" only those that evaluate published information and reject it (or forever demand access to every document ever published in the hope of finding a silver bullet that can stop things)? Anyone can be a "true fan" without tying it to opinion... you suggest that other fans that support the move are lacking in fandom somehow?

* You display a bias that is perhaps the real reason behind your objections - "tory suburb 6 miles from town" what does political affiliation have to with a football club? What does distance have to do with affiliation? (never voted Tory / don't live in a suburb btw) However your inclusion of this view suggests you have an oppositional one... that football attendance should be urban/labour voting (working class?) pursuit... you'd need a time machine for that ESP in Aberdeen where working class (relative to country wide definitions) has been somewhat less pronounced.

* "are No Kingsford trolls / 'Westhilliers'" - i think the thread identifies various other subcultural objectors (e.g Metathesiophobics wanting to stroll to the pub - then the game)

* the idea that those in favour of the move (either because they like it or grudgingly accept its the best option available after years of false hopes) are just doing so because they enjoy the idea of arguing is somewhat undermined by those suggesting you stop posting as they have had enough. I'm only doing it as I've become annoyed by the comments (enough to delurk) and would prefer the thread to be about talking how to make the new gaff great...

I can understand your frustration that you are being ignored by the club - but it might just be that the majority are in favour and the minority are going to object forever... you can see echoes in other supports groups that have seen their clubs change from what they want them to be and the minority have voted with their feet. AFC dons are pretty successful now and FC united of Manchester also spring to mind...

I'm genuinely sorry you feel so frustrated by the move but I think you are probably in a minority and for your own sake - make a decision to support aberdeen regardless or find something else that makes you happy