Simple question- should Mackinnon go ?

[TerryTheTerror]

We'd only be top of the league of results were right.

[RAM1971]

Who doesn't want this? In an ideal world we'd all like to win the league playing open, attractive football but winning is king just now.

The last 3 years or so have been hell no doubt about that but I'm willing to put up with scrappy wins if it means us getting out this fkn league, especially scrappy wins away from home that might put a smile on meh pus on the bus hame.

And then if we do get out of this crappy league we end up playing crappy football in the Premier League because (so far) we have known nothing else. The best example was Hearts during their promotion season. They 'walked' the Championship playing good football and also stormed their first season back up doing the same. Admittedly they have gone back the way to some degree but are retaining their Top 6 status.

If we keep playing crappy football that is where we will always be. We have to get out of that habit. Those who defend our 'scrappy' football as a means to win promotion need to waken up to the last 6 letters in that style. Crap is what you spray on the Tannadice pitch, not what you play on it.

If we want back up to the Premier League, we want to stay there. NOW is the time to prepare for that. We have the players (mostly), but we lack the style. If perchance our crap floats to the surface and we do go up, we are destined to sink right back down again. Our main challengers are playing far better football than us and scoring more goals. At the moment they deserve a crack at the Premiership more than us. If this is a crappy league and we are playing crappy football, then that is where we belong.

[Jonboy83]

If somehow we scraped back into the big league playing like we are now, then it's straight back down again for us.
Anyone who thinks we would stay up when we're scraping past the likes of Brechin at home is clearly deluded. We would get absolutely murdered playing the way we are now.
McKinnon has to go but I fear he will get too long to turn it around and by then it'll be too late.

[RAM1971]

If somehow we scraped back into the big league playing like we are now, then it's straight back down again for us.
Anyone who thinks we would stay up when we're scraping past the likes of Brechin at home is clearly deluded. We would get absolutely murdered playing the way we are now.
McKinnon has to go but I fear he will get too long to turn it around and by then it'll be too late.

I think you've come on to the wrong board? Sign out and look for the 'Common Sense' board.

[SmedDUm]

If somehow we scraped back into the big league playing like we are now, then it's straight back down again for us.
Anyone who thinks we would stay up when we're scraping past the likes of Brechin at home is clearly deluded. We would get absolutely murdered playing the way we are now.
McKinnon has to go but I fear he will get too long to turn it around and by then it'll be too late.

I hope Pinocchio gets the bullet first.

[An old shed boy]

Leicester City won the EPL a few seasons back playing awful to watch football. Apart from a few games they were always in the negative in terms of possession, shots on goal etc. Do you think their fans cared?

We'd all love to see pretty football but it rarely wins you trophies look at Spurs (my team by the way). Chelsea too won the EPL last season playing a tedious counter attacking style of football... again.... do you think their fans care?

Even though it ain't good on the eye I feel we are still beating our opponents at home because we are better than them, it's our away form that's worrying and could be Ray's downfall rather than his style of play. Still early days yet though, we have the players to entertain and it might just click given time but I'd rather win the league ugly than finish in the play offs Spursesque.

If we were to win this league playing as we have been then I'd agree that not too many of our fans would care.
The problem is that as we continue to struggle in virtually every game then more and more fans are beginning to doubt that it has any chance of happening.
And has also been said we'd be right back down again.

[SmedDUm]

I don't think we'd be minding if we were playing the way we are in the Prem, i.e grinding out results with little conviction.
But we're playing in the 2nd tier & we should be lording it over these teams, turning it on, showing them who's boss.
Having said that I mean no disrespect to the Championship teams. They come to Tannadice raising their game & fighting like tigers. The Falkirks, QotS's & Mortons are no easy-beats and would challenge the majority of the big league, only Celtic & Aberdeen would see off these teams easily enough.

[offshore_arab83]

Leicester City won the EPL a few seasons back playing awful to watch football. Apart from a few games they were always in the negative in terms of possession, shots on goal etc. Do you think their fans cared?

We'd all love to see pretty football but it rarely wins you trophies look at Spurs (my team by the way). Chelsea too won the EPL last season playing a tedious counter attacking style of football... again.... do you think their fans care?

Even though it ain't good on the eye I feel we are still beating our opponents at home because we are better than them, it's our away form that's worrying and could be Ray's downfall rather than his style of play. Still early days yet though, we have the players to entertain and it might just click given time but I'd rather win the league ugly than finish in the play offs Spursesque.

disagree Leicester were awful to watch, Vardy was scoring for fun, they were creating and taking chances, we're doing neither

[offshore_arab83]

we are still top of the league

[offshore_arab83]

The Falkirks, QotS's & Mortons are no easy-beats and would challenge the majority of the big league, only Celtic & Aberdeen would see off these teams easily enough.

Sorry but i disagree with this smeds, dont see anyone in the top league struggling against anyone in our league tbh