Does anybody think Raymond should stay ?

[shedka]

im not at the gtf Ray stage yet but even my patience is going thin!.

i keep on giving him the benefit of the doubt over last season but he needs to pull something out now because if people like myself (who normally will defend people all the way) are losing patience it must be bad!

i hope he turns it round and gets us up but performances like yesterday wont help!

That's where I am, yesterday isn't acceptable for DUFC, we know what Dumbarton are like so start with two upfront and go for them and don't mess about and gift then an early lead to hold onto then only come alive in the second half, the only saving grace from yesterday is not actually losing and results kinda half going for us

My worry about changing manager early is that you are kind of giving up on promotion (certainly automatic), a new man isn't going to come in and win us the league this season imo, can Ray? Not unless he changes things asap

[TerryTheTerror]

Hands up, I wasn't at the game yesterday (on the way to Cyprus) so this opinion is certainly tainted but, I am still behind Ray. It's far too early in the season to judge in my opinion, this is a new team the manager has put together and it's going to take some to get them playing.

I totally understand the frustration and can see folks viewpoint but I think it'd be totally counter productive to change management at this stage.

[shedboy71]

Hands up, I wasn't at the game yesterday (on the way to Cyprus) so this opinion is certainly tainted but, I am still behind Ray. It's far too early in the season to judge in my opinion, this is a new team the manager has put together and it's going to take some to get them playing.

I totally understand the frustration and can see folks viewpoint but I think it'd be totally counter productive to change management at this stage.

Thats actually a fair comment about it being too early. I think many have simply lost confidence and its not this season really - the last 2 games have confirmed to many what they felt last season.

enjoy Cyprus you globe trotter you!

[NOSCOTCAPS]

I am 40 for and 60 against him staying. My only niggling thing is, is that he had us top by Xmas last season, after some poor to average performances BUT could not capitalise. End of the month will hopefully clear my mind either way.

[SmedDUm]

I am 40 for and 60 against him staying. My only niggling thing is, is that he had us top by Xmas last season, after some poor to average performances BUT could not capitalise. End of the month will hopefully clear my mind either way.

End of December month NSC.

[JUSTaway]

the last 3 performances were as bad as anything last season, with no evidence we will get better.

The manager seems incapable of builiding a balanced squad/team, doesnt seem to have the contacts, the main criteria for getting signed this season seems to have been that you play in scotland and were available, and the jury is out on Briels and Nkoyi, re-signed murdoch and Flood when the money on wages could have been better spent. The recruitement is not purely McKinnons fault though, the club has had no recruitment policy other than leaving managers to get on with it, appointing a director of scouting who has had 2 months at the tale end of last season to try and scout players just means you are playing catch up.

Other teams might not have as talented players but the sum of their parts makes them better teams.

We are neither tough enough to mix it physically or good enought to blow teams away. It just feels like this is inevitably building to McKinnon getting the punt, and likey just a case of can he drag it on a bit longer with a few results, or whether it will come to a head sooner.

I actually wouldnt have been so annoyed about his appointment had ST done due dilligence and explored all options available last summer, but he seemed to hold his hands up and say mistakes had been made, lessons learnt, and then jumped straight in and appointed McKinnon almost immediately without taking his time and exploring all options. Had he took his time and go the right man, we would have still finished in the play-offs with prob a better chance to get up, and been better ready to get back up this season, going up first time was always a long shot last season with the player turnover and resources available to us compared to hibs, he should have taken a longer term approach.

As it is, a lot of the better managers will look at the club in the state of flux it is and not even entertain coming to us, and ST will prob make same mistakes and appoint a diddy.

[USArab]

Hands up, I wasn't at the game yesterday (on the way to Cyprus) so this opinion is certainly tainted but, I am still behind Ray. It's far too early in the season to judge in my opinion, this is a new team the manager has put together and it's going to take some to get them playing.

I totally understand the frustration and can see folks viewpoint but I think it'd be totally counter productive to change management at this stage.

As above, too early to judge for all sorts of reasons.

[arab_plumber]

That's where I am, yesterday isn't acceptable for DUFC, we know what Dumbarton are like so start with two upfront and go for them and don't mess about and gift then an early lead to hold onto then only come alive in the second half, the only saving grace from yesterday is not actually losing and results kinda half going for us

My worry about changing manager early is that you are kind of giving up on promotion (certainly automatic), a new man isn't going to come in and win us the league this season imo, can Ray? Not unless he changes things asap

Absolute nonsense Shedka a proper manager would have this shambles turned around in 3/4 weeks and we'd hardly be miles off the pace by then anyway.

Ray has been a poor manager from start to finish and only the head in the sand brigade couldn't see it ,he promised we'd be at it yesterday after two weeks to work things out......

Ray talks a lot but never accepts his own massive short comings ,the buck stops with him and the reason we're struggling is his dire tactics and incredible team selections

[shedboy71]

Absolute nonsense Shedka a proper manager would have this shambles turned around in 3/4 weeks and we'd hardly be miles off the pace by then anyway.

Ray has been a poor manager from start to finish and only the head in the sand brigade couldn't see it ,he promised we'd be at it yesterday after two weeks to work things out......

Ray talks a lot but never accepts his own massive short comings ,the buck stops with him and the reason we're struggling is his dire tactics and incredible team selections

Agree 100% here