Fracking - for or against?

[alfinyalcabo]

The jury's out with me over fracking,not too sure yet,it needs a lot more investigating before I think we should use it..I love the Windmills and Solar farms though..

[SERVERNOTRESPONDING]

Totally against it, safe to say nothing good can come from injecting chemical mixtures into the earth only rather large problems i would think. also look whats happened in Wyoming USA.

Not sure how big Wyoming is but safe to say England is not as big. Whos up for one in the back garden then.

[1959_60]

Just don't expect THIS government to take green issues seriously.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ff-vince-cable

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I just don't expect THIS government to take any issues seriously.

When the letters are falling off your slogan, you know it's time to go!

[sinkov]

I see the the eco loons are out in force again. One thing I have to disagree with OC on is when he says they've been using fracking techniques in the USA for thirty years, it's actually a lot longer than that. Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged, a wonderful book for lefties to get their teeth into, was published 50 years ago in 1957, she talks about fracking in that, referring back to the early 50s, so it's a technique that's been used for going on for 70 years in the USA, but I suspect Luddites get short shrift over there.

It's also interesting to note that the USA is dramatically reducing it's CO2 emissions, at a rate we can only dream about, something to do with their increasing use of shale gas I believe, but don't tell the eco loons, the Guardian or the BBC. No wonder Trump has given the ludicrous Paris Agreement the derision it deserves, even that buffoon can see it for the worthless, virtue-signalling scam that it is.

[oldcolner]

The jury's out with me over fracking,not too sure yet,it needs a lot more investigating before I think we should use it..I love the Windmills and Solar farms though..

That’s my position Alf. The SNP Green lobby says All fracking is bad, just as are all cars, coal etc. We need to live in the real world. Wind power is good but is no good if we have no wind and we generate more than we need when it is windy as we can’t store it. Solar farms too, but not much good if your are in cloud all day or only have 6 hours daylight in winter when energy demands are greatest.
Taming the ocean for power has been tried but doesn’t seem economic.

The US has been fracking for years so it’s not surprising given the large number of wells there have been instances of problems. The USA Environmental Protection Agency produced a Report. THere’s a map on page 8 of the 275000 wells in the US opened between 2000 and 2013. It doesn’t know how many opened before that but 1 million is mentioned as a guess.
https://www.epa.gov/sites/production...ve_summary.pdf
They identify the risks and so it should be simple to allow fracking in areas of low risk to gather data on safety. We need to be informed and there is a chance to allow it under scrutiny in a few locations.
The green plan is for electric cars, but where we will get all the green electricity on a dark windless December day to power them, n never mind how much installing charging stations will cost.

Sorry BT I have no clue how Iraq affects fracking in Blackpool or Scotland. Let’s have a dose of reality though.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

That’s my position Alf. The SNP Green lobby says All fracking is bad, just as are all cars, coal etc. We need to live in the real world. Wind power is good but is no good if we have no wind and we generate more than we need when it is windy as we can’t store it. Solar farms too, but not much good if your are in cloud all day or only have 6 hours daylight in winter when energy demands are greatest.
Taming the ocean for power has been tried but doesn’t seem economic.

The US has been fracking for years so it’s not surprising given the large number of wells there have been instances of problems. The USA Environmental Protection Agency produced a Report. THere’s a map on page 8 of the 275000 wells in the US opened between 2000 and 2013. It doesn’t know how many opened before that but 1 million is mentioned as a guess.
https://www.epa.gov/sites/production...ve_summary.pdf
They identify the risks and so it should be simple to allow fracking in areas of low risk to gather data on safety. We need to be informed and there is a chance to allow it under scrutiny in a few locations.
The green plan is for electric cars, but where we will get all the green electricity on a dark windless December day to power them, n never mind how much installing charging stations will cost.

Sorry BT I have no clue how Iraq affects fracking in Blackpool or Scotland. Let’s have a dose of reality though.

The dose of reality you require OC will be when the people of Blackpool and the Fylde are subjected to the UK equivalent of the "Halliburton Loophole" and their water supply is contaminated.

As for Scotland, you don't need to worry about it because fracking is banned!

[sinkov]

The dose of reality you require OC will be when the people of Blackpool and the Fylde are subjected to the UK equivalent of the "Halliburton Loophole" and their water supply is contaminated.

As for Scotland, you don't need to worry about it because fracking is banned!

If you want a dose of reality, instead of listening to the eco-loons and their tedious virtue signalling, or the politicians with their snouts in the lucrative renewables trough ( at taxpayers expense) try reading the independent report by the Royal Society and the Royal Academy of Engineering published five years ago in 2012. You can google it easily enough, but you won't find the usual suspects, the BBC, the Guardian, the Independent, Greenpeace, the WWF, the National Trust, the RSPB, or any of the NGOs profiting from the renewables scam quoting from it.

Because it states quite categorically that any health, safety or environmental risks from fracking can be managed effectively in the UK. Any potential environmental contamination is not unique to fracking, but is common to all oil and gas wells and extractive activities. Any seismic activity is likely to even less than that caused by coal mining, and that recorded in the Blackpool area so small that it was unlikely to have been felt by anyone.

There is absolutely no reason why hydraulic fracturing cannot be carried out perfectly safely in the UK, but the eco loons and their supporters in the media and the political class, have done a pretty good in ensuring that these facts are kept from the general public, who are fed a constant diet of virtue signalling ****e instead.

[oldcolner]

The dose of reality you require OC will be when the people of Blackpool and the Fylde are subjected to the UK equivalent of the "Halliburton Loophole" and their water supply is contaminated.

As for Scotland, you don't need to worry about it because fracking is banned!

BT do you believe chicken licken?
It’s banned on the basis of prejudice not facts in Scotland because the Greens are keeping SNP in power and need to be kept sweet. The SNP are in decline so this may change when reality hits.
Why not read some facts.
Here’s the link Sinkov cited saying risks are low and can be managed.
https://royalsociety.org/~/media/pol...-shale-gas.pdf

Why are you so keen to save Blackpool on this when you dislike them for most other things.

[1959_60]

Forgive me if I am wrong Sinkov, but you are sounding like a climate change denier. Which is fair enough - we are all unique and it would be an awful world if we agreed on everything.
I personally think that the evidence is overwhelming and therefore would lobby for a greener solution to our energy needs than fracking, or more gas, oil or coal usage.
So in effect you are calling me an "eco-loon".
When you start insulting people in a debate then I reckon you are losing the argument - no need for it.

As for the USA reducing CO2 emissions, yes there WERE good signs during Obama's time as President, but the signs are that they are on the increase once more with greater emphasis on coal and oil, and by the fact that Trump is not taking climate change seriously. He is still basically a climate change denier.