O/T Theresa

[drillerpie]

You caved in on the Italian thread pretty quickly....now either you realised that you were hopelessly outmatched.....or you were using it to get Vlad banned....probably both, is my guess

Oh dear, we went through that a couple of weeks ago.

I had a look for the French riots thread, it's the one where you admit to getting Macron mixed up with someone else. Tony said there were huge street protests, I said there were too few people to count as huge bearing in mind the size of France. Quite funny though how Tony himself says that left wing protestors are too militant and should be punished, but when an anarchist group in France starts rioting they become and accurate barometer of public opinion.

The Italian thread was the one where I challenged a point that a quarter of workers don't pay tax and backed it up with official Govt stats. You and others set about trying to prove me wrong with various kinds of approximate figures from Google. I think you also said QE was the same as a bail out, in which case almost every western economy has been bailed out, including ours.

Feel free to start any of the threads up again if needs be.

Andy is still waiting for an answer about who you supported for the US elections by the way.

[tarquinbeech]

Oh dear, we went through that a couple of weeks ago.

I had a look for the French riots thread, it's the one where you admit to getting Macron mixed up with someone else. Tony said there were huge street protests, I said there were too few people to count as huge bearing in mind the size of France. Quite funny though how Tony himself says that left wing protestors are too militant and should be punished, but when an anarchist group in France starts rioting they become and accurate barometer of public opinion.

The Italian thread was the one where I challenged a point that a quarter of workers don't pay tax and backed it up with official Govt stats. You and others set about trying to prove me wrong with various kinds of approximate figures from Google. I think you also said QE was the same as a bail out, in which case almost every western economy has been bailed out, including ours.

Feel free to start any of the threads up again if needs be.

Andy is still waiting for an answer about who you supported for the US elections by the way.

I didn't get Macron (the physical person) mixed up with anyone.....there was a light-show/hologram event on the news, I wasn't paying a lot of attention to it....I said that I felt Macron was being too "gimicky" in trying that (a comment made in a discussion on a wider range of issues)...you said it was Melanchon....I said that the names were similiar....you then went on to make a big issue of it saying "it was your personal crusade to go around MAD correcting inaccuracies"....hahahaha....let's see how often you go after the other posters on here....or is your "crusade" just aimed at people you don't like?

So there WERE riots in France...but.not big enough by your "barometer"?.....so now you are the judge and jury on what constitutes a "proper" riot?.....wow.....when I then point out that the riots are continuing, your reply is "the French like to riot"....basically nobody can win an argument with you, you are the one making the rules....plus you change them when you see fit.

On the Italian argument you stated that 25% of eye-ties "could NOT be avoiding (income) tax".....I then showed you official EU reports showing Italy to be the most corrupt EU country of the Big 7, avoiding VAT, to the tune of 25%, which is a tax due on GOODS and SERVICES.....your reply "that's not income tax (even though SERVICES are clearly in the definition)".....then you stated that the BLACK ECONOMY cannot be estimated......EXACTLY, so how the hell can you say that it is impossible for 25% to be avoiding it....it might be 50%, like it is in Mexico......this is the problem with you Driller, you state a position, then if opposed, you tell us to "prove it"....you do it all the time.....but the simple fact is that half the statements on here are opinions, it's a forum.....you cannot prove that 25% are avoiding taxes, and the closest I can get to FACTS are that the EU say 25% are avoiding VAT.

Why would I want to tell Andy who I supported in the US election?, I'm not sure that I've ever expressed an opinion.....apart from the fact that Trump is mad as a hatter......that obviously cannot be proved (before you start again), though I notice there is an attempt by certain doctors to have him declared "unfit to govern"

[drillerpie]

I didn't get Macron (the physical person) mixed up with anyone.....there was a light-show/hologram event on the news, I wasn't paying a lot of attention to it....I said that I felt Macron was being too "gimicky" in trying that (a comment made in a discussion on a wider range of issues)...you said it was Melanchon....I said that the names were similiar....you then went on to make a big issue of it saying "it was your personal crusade to go around MAD correcting inaccuracies"....hahahaha....let's see how often you go after the other posters on here....or is your "crusade" just aimed at people you don't like?

So there WERE riots in France...but.not big enough by your "barometer"?.....so now you are the judge and jury on what constitutes a "proper" riot?.....wow.....when I then point out that the riots are continuing, your reply is "the French like to riot"....basically nobody can win an argument with you, you are the one making the rules....plus you change them when you see fit.

On the Italian argument you stated that 25% of eye-ties "could NOT be avoiding (income) tax".....I then showed you official EU reports showing Italy to be the most corrupt EU country of the Big 7, avoiding VAT, to the tune of 25%, which is a tax due on GOODS and SERVICES.....your reply "that's not income tax (even though SERVICES are clearly in the definition)".....then you stated that the BLACK ECONOMY cannot be estimated......EXACTLY, so how the hell can you say that it is impossible for 25% to be avoiding it....it might be 50%, like it is in Mexico......this is the problem with you Driller, you state a position, then if opposed, you tell us to "prove it"....you do it all the time.....but the simple fact is that half the statements on here are opinions, it's a forum.....you cannot prove that 25% are avoiding taxes, and the closest I can get to FACTS are that the EU say 25% are avoiding VAT.

Why would I want to tell Andy who I supported in the US election?, I'm not sure that I've ever expressed an opinion.....apart from the fact that Trump is mad as a hatter......that obviously cannot be proved (before you start again), though I notice there is an attempt by certain doctors to have him declared "unfit to govern"

First of all I see there's no mention of QE in your post. Does that mean you've accepted now that Italy hasn't been bailed out?

Secondly I find it utterly bizarre that you want to pick a fight on such weak arguments. You said a hologram show was a good metaphor for Macron because like the hologram he has no substance, not realising that Macron hadn't done the hologram show at all, someone else had. I pointed out the mistake quite politely, but it seems to have riled you to the point where you want to do a 'takedown' of me.

Yes there were riots in France, and you don't need capital letters because I never said there weren't, as I already told you in my previous post. I challenged Tony when he said that 1000 anarchists comprised a 'huge' riot. It's not me who decides what i huge and what's not - it's logic and the English language. France has a proud tradition of high participation in politics and political demonstrations, a huge demonstration in France would be measured in the hundreds of thousands, not the thousands. 1000 people wouldn't even be huge in Nottingham. The EDL who are essentially a fringe group regularly get more than that. 1000 people wouldn't even fill half of Market Square. That's just from a purely numerical perspective, it was also not huge from the point of view of who they were - left wing radials and anarchists - in other words highly motivated militants, with little or no mainstream participation, as you would expect from a population which had just voted Macron in by 65% to 35%.

On the Italian tax argument I stand totally by what I said. I provided Italian government statistics to back up my claim. For clarity, seeing as you have a tendency to exaggerate (see previous paragraph: I said a demonstration wasn't huge, you lied and tried to claim I said there are no riots in France) I didn't say that tax evasion isn't a problem in Italy, it is, not least because the government tries to claw it back by increasing taxes for those who pay taxes.


I suspect Andy asked you who you supported in the US elections because if you care about the environment (which I'm sure you do from your posting of climate data) but you supported Trump on the basis of his immigration policy, you are effectively recognising the gravity of environmental problems but prioritising immigration over the future of the planet - an irrational position. I suspect that's why Andy asked you and I also suspect that's why you didn't answer him.

Anyway, Mrs May - still PM by default on the basis that it's a poisoned chalice.

[Elite_Pie]

Secondly I find it utterly bizarre that you want to pick a fight on such weak arguments. You said a hologram show was a good metaphor for Macron because like the hologram he has no substance, not realising that Macron hadn't done the hologram show at all, someone else had. I pointed out the mistake quite politely, but it seems to have riled you to the point where you want to do a 'takedown' of me.

He has a history of picking fights on weak arguments. I once politely pointed out to him that 39% of voters didn't constitute "most voters". We disputed something that was totally obvious until he ended up blocking my posts!!!!

You're not a real man until you've riled him to the point of being blocked!

[tarquinbeech]

He has a history of picking fights on weak arguments. I once politely pointed out to him that 39% of voters didn't constitute "most voters". We disputed something that was totally obvious until he ended up blocking my posts!!!!

You're not a real man until you've riled him to the point of being blocked!

Couldn't resist it could you?