O/T DUP still not playing ball..

[millmoormagic]

Despite that, you support a party that wants to turn the country’s back on those policies in favour of the failed tax, borrow and spend policies of the past.

One more thing, yes Kerr, i support a party that wants to turn the country back, back to one of investment in it's own people and infrastructure, back to a country that cares for it's people, take me back to a place where work was rewarded, where the state didn't have to subsidise low wages, back to a place where a trainee nurse didn't run up a £50k debt(or a lawyer for that matter, i take it your uni education was free....)back to a place where the utilities were ran from a national viewpoint rather than a profit one, back to a place where public transport was cheap, i see you beloved privatised railways are hiking the fares up again....TAKE ME BACK TO A COUNTRY THAT CARES.....

[KerrAvon]

Also another interesting point tonight Kerr with your regard to dup not being willing to bring government down. Dup are saying they would sooner have a corbyn government than have a border in the Irish sea.

So Arlene has had a change of heart? https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ays-dup-leader

What is the Labour position on the Irish border issue. Do they believe that the province should have a different Brexit to the rest of the UK? What is their position on Brexit generally? They don't seem to want to talk about it.

[KerrAvon]

Aye there an interesting bunch the DUP , want to be part of the UK except for abortion and gay marriage which is pretty mainstream over here .

Stuck somewhere between The Battle Of The Boyne and the Easter uprising it seems .

The Tories would get into bed with Himmler if it kept Corbyn out .

Word coming out of the tories is to offer the DUP more money to agree to toe the line over the Irish border .

That would be tax payers money no less , the same money they deny the NHS and public sector or anything else that promotes social mobility .

Never seen such a set of sewer rats running the country , I thought you couldn't get much lower than Thatcher but this lot are on another level .

They will get what's coming and they know it deep down .

I think you are a bit confused. The DUP secures 1.5 billion pounds worth of extra public spending for Northern Ireland, but that's a bad thing, because it's money that could have been used for public spending...

Can you explain that one?

[WanChaiMiller]

Got to say Labour is split on Brexit. Many Momentum supporters are old Labour anti EU and voted out.

The big split in politics in the UK is around neo liberal economics.

[KerrAvon]

Got to say Labour is split on Brexit. Many Momentum supporters are old Labour anti EU and voted out.

The big split in politics in the UK is around neo liberal economics.

Indeed. Labour declined to put up a spokesperson on the Irish border issue for the Today programme on Radio 4 this morning. They are scared stiff of letting the cat out of the bag that they are as split on Europe as the Tories and have about as much idea of how to deal wih Brexit as the government.

[ragingpup]

Indeed. Labour declined to put up a spokesperson on the Irish border issue for the Today programme on Radio 4 this morning. They are scared stiff of letting the cat out of the bag that they are as split on Europe as the Tories and have about as much idea of how to deal wih Brexit as the government.

I don't think that's true Kerr. I think that the majority of Labour supporters would support a good Brexit deal that allowed us to:

1. Maintain a strong economy with border controls but sensible migration which serves the basis of a strong skills based economy - with skills being imported to fill any identified shortfall. BUT we have to accept that without a huge spending programme on building skills for the UK workforce and creating conditions that make work pay with improved minimum wages and conditions, then we will be forced to rely on imported workers until that skills gap is filled.

2. Avoid a hard Brexit that will crate conditions in which major employers will relocate and take jobs with them as they want to remain within EU tariffs.

I think that this is covered within a admittedly (and sensibly) vague 'Jobs First Brexit' that protects the economy and jobs first. I think we need to distance ourselves from the potentially damaging (and increasingly likely) harder Brexit.

I think the major disagreements between us on the left is more to do with rejecting Brexit, due to its focus in the Leave campaign on scapegoating migrants for all ills and wanting to protect their rights as people who overall benefit and serve the UK economy. And those of us who recognise this but still see the potential benefit of sensible migration policy and a long term skills building programme at home.

I think we're all united against a hard Brexit.

And that's a VERY different thing to the Tory camp!

[WanChaiMiller]

I think you are a bit confused. The DUP secures 1.5 billion pounds worth of extra public spending for Northern Ireland, but that's a bad thing, because it's money that could have been used for public spending...

Can you explain that one?

This is money the UK cant find for fantastic initiatives like Sure Start.

[rolymiller]

The rich have never cared about the poor in this country or any other for that matter. The only thing that matters to them is kerching kerching and bling bling. They would happily send poor kids back up chimneys if they could or send ordinary folk off to war as cannon fodder to fight their battles for them. The saddest people are the working class tories who grovel to em and think we should give them some sort of respect. Their are plenty of daft sods who think like that on on here.

[gm_gm]

The rich have never cared about the poor in this country or any other for that matter. The only thing that matters to them is kerching kerching and bling bling. They would happily send poor kids back up chimneys if they could or send ordinary folk off to war as cannon fodder to fight their battles for them. The saddest people are the working class tories who grovel to em and think we should give them some sort of respect. Their are plenty of daft sods who think like that on on here.

I dont agree with that Roly in general terms, I think most right minded people from every political spectrum would want to support the most vulnerable in society. Its daft when labour try and take the moral high ground as they worst offenders.

We need to get the min wage up quickly, get rid of the black market and fine companies (some are multi-nationals) who are still paying below minimum wage its a disgrace

[millmoormagic]

I dont agree with that Roly in general terms, I think most right minded people from every political spectrum would want to support the most vulnerable in society. Its daft when labour try and take the moral high ground as they worst offenders.

We need to get the min wage up quickly, get rid of the black market and fine companies (some are multi-nationals) who are still paying below minimum wage its a disgrace

So, pleased that you're wanting the minimum wage raised, a la Labour party policy, but please don't be so condescending as to try and deny what damage this gov't, which you fully support, is doing to the poorer sections of society as we speak, the sooner people like you realise what actual damage they're doing in your name the better.