O/T BBC and the NHS

[i961pie]

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No like-ee? Then p*ss off to Trump's America or one of the many hundreds of countries that do not have an NHS service or a free press.

Be careful Sid you can have the same said to you about you moaning about brexit, p-ss off to France or Germany if you don't like it and want to stay with the EU.

[JoePass]

Just as badly as over here. Perhaps you could highlight the NHS improvements the Tories have made over the last 7 years?

Or perhaps you couldn't.

Desperation of the Corbynista, no real answers, just a load of left wing waffle.

[Elite_Pie]

Desperation of the Corbynista, no real answers, just a load of left wing waffle.

So prove me wrong. Simply highlight the NHS improvements the Tories have made over the last 7 years.

I bet you can't.

[Elite_Pie]

... the predictable attempts by tweedle dum and tweedle dee to twist the topic. So how would you deal with the self-inflicted drink and drug wasters?

The only person twisting the topic is you. You claim the BBC report is a hatchet job, so tell us where. Give us figures that highlight where they are biased and where they are wrong. Prove to us that the BBC are totally biased and that the Tories are doing a good job in improving the service the NHS offers since they came to power and took control.

As I said to Soccerman, I bet you can't.

[jacobncfc]

I actually think that the constant A&E waiting time stories are actually pretty stupid. I don't think that having this arbitrary four hour target helps anyone.

Can only go on my own experience, but on the occasions i've been to A&E (whether for myself or a family member), you get triaged almost immediately and then put in an order of priority. In 99.999% of cases, if you're waiting hours for treatment it's because your condition doesn't requite immediate medical attention. I don't really get why that should be a problem.

I'm very mildly asthmatic, and on the two occasions in my life where it's flared up quite seriously, I was being treated within moments of arriving at A&E.

[TheBlackHorse]

... we'll said Jacob

[Elite_Pie]

... we'll said Jacob

"We'll said Jacob"? What does that even mean?

I eagerly await your list of Tory NHS improvements.

[jackal2]

I actually think that the constant A&E waiting time stories are actually pretty stupid. I don't think that having this arbitrary four hour target helps anyone.

Can only go on my own experience, but on the occasions i've been to A&E (whether for myself or a family member), you get triaged almost immediately and then put in an order of priority. In 99.999% of cases, if you're waiting hours for treatment it's because your condition doesn't requite immediate medical attention. I don't really get why that should be a problem.

I'm very mildly asthmatic, and on the two occasions in my life where it's flared up quite seriously, I was being treated within moments of arriving at A&E.

In my experience, A&E is the most efficient and effective part of the system, probably because they have to be. Make the wrong decisions or take too long in that part of the system and you've potentially got a death on your hands that is very clearly attributable, so the best staff tend to be funnelled into the A&E teams.

The problems tend to come in the parts of hospitals that deal with the more routine care, especially for older people, where I've seen with my own eyes (and reported) some shocking poor practice and general slackness which had nothing to do with "lack of resources" and everything to do with careless, sloppy attitudes. I've no doubt there are patients deteriorating or dying unnecessarily on some of these wards, but the effect is more gradual and difficult to conclusively trace and prove.

[JoePass]

"We'll said Jacob"? What does that even mean?

I eagerly await your list of Tory NHS improvements.

Sad, hopeless, left wing Corbyn loser. And your lot would make it better, don't make me laugh. You know as well as me, your rabble do not have a clue.

[Elite_Pie]

Sad, hopeless, left wing Corbyn loser. And your lot would make it better, don't make me laugh. You know as well as me, your rabble do not have a clue.

I have never said that Labour would make it better. But your argument that "Labour would be useless so it's ok for the Tories to be useless" shows you up for the sad simpleton you are. This thread isn't about Labour, it's about whether the BBC report is biased against the Tories. I'll repeat the question yet again to you and the thread starter, where is it inaccurate or biased, and what improvements to the NHS have the Tory party made in 7 years of government?