Sorry animal, I can see your point, dont agree, and the labour party for years now have ducked many an important issue. How bout Rotherham for starters? I agree the tories aren't worth a great deal, as it stands at the moment, they are an embarrassment. And other countries not only state own their own utilities, but own ours as well. The French own a good chunk of our infrastructure. In the seventies, how many kids went to uni? Right fast forward to now, how many go now? Doing pointless degrees they will never get a job in. Population, 1970. Then thanks to Blair and co look at it now, tho admittedly letting the former commonwealth in contributed also. Labour, conservative or whoever, we just have to suck it up, because globalisation is happening anyway. Whether we like it or not, bringing on our cultural suicide by our own hands. Depressing.